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Flower Fairy
[up]I tried to YKTTW a separate trope for when the same creator makes an Expy, but it was shot down because that distinction was thought to be arbitrary. I still believe that it's a valid subtrope, though, considering the origins for this one.
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Flower Fairy
*bump*
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178 Willbyr12th Jun 2013 05:38:52 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Clock is set.
Not sure if this has been brought up already, but I also noticed that Expy tends to be used whenever a character is based on someone else. Examples of those usually belong on No Celebrities Were Harmed or Write Who You Know.
180 SeptimusHeap12th Jun 2013 07:49:07 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
That has been the issue since the topic start, more or less.
Hm. Though I think that was the only reference to Write Who You Know in this thread. I didn't search potholes.

edited 12th Jun '13 7:52:20 AM by MikuruFan

This trope is still a mess, as with the sub-tropes. I'm still for the supertrope idea, and this might need to be moved to Special Efforts.
Flower Fairy
I also still want something split off for same-creator expies, whether it be soft or hard split.
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Captain Ersatz needs a rename as well, I think that would massively cut down on the misuse...
185 SeptimusHeap16th Jun 2013 01:16:49 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Well, first off, we don't have Special Efforts anymore.

Second, Captain Ersatz has more than 2000 wicks and inbounds.
Flower Fairy
It'll go to Long Term/Perpetual, then.
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187 MarqFJA8th Jul 2013 02:18:25 PM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Can someone put a summary of the raised problems with the trope(s) being discussed and the subsequent conclusions that the thread has reached so far, so that we late-comers can have a general idea of what's what and all that?
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188 Noaqiyeum8th Jul 2013 02:55:12 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
[up] The last time that happened was post 64, I think.

I'm re-binging the thread now to remember/learn what else has developed. Summary forthcoming (unless someone who has been involved more recently beats me to it).

edited 8th Jul '13 3:06:51 PM by Noaqiyeum

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189 Noaqiyeum8th Jul 2013 03:55:45 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
Tropes involved. Definitions are based on apparent thread consensus or uncontested assertions. Those which are undefined have not been discussed in any detail.

Decisions:
  • Use Expy as the supertrope for all the others.
    • Rewrite the description to be about the supertrope
    • Make it pristinely clear that the resemblance must be intentional. In bold, if necessary.
    • Remove all the examples that are only based on fan perception.

Proposals:

edited 8th Jul '13 5:16:42 PM by Noaqiyeum

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It's the key to achieving my goal - un8r8ka8le!
[up]Regarding Counterpart Comparison, "being compared to another similar character leads to Character Derailment" implies that this happens within the show, when this appears to be purely an Audience Reaction.
191 Noaqiyeum8th Jul 2013 04:53:53 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
[up] Oops, you're right. It looks like the in-canon version is Re-Ditto.
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192 StarSword8th Jul 2013 05:02:26 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
I'm liking this plan.
193 SeptimusHeap9th Jul 2013 01:27:23 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
The cumulative work proposed in @189 amounts to 10000 wicks that need checking. Thus, I am going to immediately give it a [tdown].
194 Noaqiyeum9th Jul 2013 10:08:39 AM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
I didn't propose anything, just summarise conclusions and suggestions from earlier in the thread.

With that in mind, however, what are you including in that figure? We're already in agreement that Expy needs to be fixed, so it doesn't make sense to just do nothing because anything useful would be too much work.
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It's the key to achieving my goal - un8r8ka8le!
195 SeptimusHeap9th Jul 2013 10:13:43 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Sorry, I meant the proposals summarized there.

Expy and Lawyer-Friendly Cameo, mainly. I have an issue with making a wick cleanup as a) we do not really have the manpower for it and b) the standard to follow is not defined.
196 Noaqiyeum9th Jul 2013 10:27:56 AM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
I stand by my approach :P

Lawyer-Friendly Cameo doesn't seem like it would need much of a wick check if we merge and redirect, unless I'm misunderstanding the procedure.

edited 9th Jul '13 10:30:26 AM by Noaqiyeum

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197 SeptimusHeap9th Jul 2013 10:35:49 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
You are misunderstanding the procedure, considering that the wicks would need moving.

As for @170, I honestly do not know how to know that an example fits.
I thought it was agreed to redefine Expy to match its use: Intentionally similar character by a different author. A supertrope to all those others.

edited 9th Jul '13 1:36:10 PM by Discar

199 SeptimusHeap9th Jul 2013 01:34:32 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
That definition was ditched long ago, if it was here in the first place.
200 Noaqiyeum9th Jul 2013 02:32:50 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
Umm, no, the ditched definition required that it be the same author.
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