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Misused: Expy get usage counts

 176 Waxing Name, Sat, 6th Apr '13 4:54:11 PM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Don't let it die
[up]I tried to YKTTW a separate trope for when the same creator makes an Expy, but it was shot down because that distinction was thought to be arbitrary. I still believe that it's a valid subtrope, though, considering the origins for this one.
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 177 Waxing Name, Sat, 11th May '13 7:11:57 PM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Don't let it die
*bump*
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 178 Willbyr, Wed, 12th Jun '13 5:38:52 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Clock is set.
Not sure if this has been brought up already, but I also noticed that Expy tends to be used whenever a character is based on someone else. Examples of those usually belong on No Celebrities Were Harmed or Write Who You Know.

 180 Septimus Heap, Wed, 12th Jun '13 7:49:07 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
That has been the issue since the topic start, more or less.

Hm. Though I think that was the only reference to Write Who You Know in this thread. I didn't search potholes.

edited 12th Jun '13 7:52:20 AM by MikuruFan

This trope is still a mess, as with the sub-tropes. I'm still for the supertrope idea, and this might need to be moved to Special Efforts.
 
 183 Waxing Name, Sat, 15th Jun '13 10:25:53 PM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Don't let it die
I also still want something split off for same-creator expies, whether it be soft or hard split.
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Captain Ersatz needs a rename as well, I think that would massively cut down on the misuse...
 
 185 Septimus Heap, Sun, 16th Jun '13 1:16:49 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Well, first off, we don't have Special Efforts anymore.

Second, Captain Ersatz has more than 2000 wicks and inbounds.

 186 Waxing Name, Mon, 17th Jun '13 11:59:52 AM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Don't let it die
It'll go to Long Term/Perpetual, then.
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 187 Marq FJA, Mon, 8th Jul '13 2:18:25 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Can someone put a summary of the raised problems with the trope(s) being discussed and the subsequent conclusions that the thread has reached so far, so that we late-comers can have a general idea of what's what and all that?
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 188 Noaqiyeum, Mon, 8th Jul '13 2:55:12 PM from out of the night from pole to pole Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
[up] The last time that happened was post 64, I think.

I'm re-binging the thread now to remember/learn what else has developed. Summary forthcoming (unless someone who has been involved more recently beats me to it).

edited 8th Jul '13 3:06:51 PM by Noaqiyeum

We dance around in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
- Robert Frost
 189 Noaqiyeum, Mon, 8th Jul '13 3:55:45 PM from out of the night from pole to pole Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
Tropes involved. Definitions are based on apparent thread consensus or uncontested assertions. Those which are undefined have not been discussed in any detail.

Decisions:
  • Use Expy as the supertrope for all the others.
    • Rewrite the description to be about the supertrope
    • Make it pristinely clear that the resemblance must be intentional. In bold, if necessary.
    • Remove all the examples that are only based on fan perception.

Proposals:

edited 8th Jul '13 5:16:42 PM by Noaqiyeum

We dance around in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
- Robert Frost
[up]Regarding Counterpart Comparison, "being compared to another similar character leads to Character Derailment" implies that this happens within the show, when this appears to be purely an Audience Reaction.

 191 Noaqiyeum, Mon, 8th Jul '13 4:53:53 PM from out of the night from pole to pole Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
[up] Oops, you're right. It looks like the in-canon version is Re-Ditto.
We dance around in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
- Robert Frost
 192 StarSword, Mon, 8th Jul '13 5:02:26 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
I'm liking this plan.
 193 Septimus Heap, Tue, 9th Jul '13 1:27:23 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
The cumulative work proposed in @189 amounts to 10000 wicks that need checking. Thus, I am going to immediately give it a [tdown].

 194 Noaqiyeum, Tue, 9th Jul '13 10:08:39 AM from out of the night from pole to pole Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
I didn't propose anything, just summarise conclusions and suggestions from earlier in the thread.

With that in mind, however, what are you including in that figure? We're already in agreement that Expy needs to be fixed, so it doesn't make sense to just do nothing because anything useful would be too much work.
We dance around in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
- Robert Frost
 195 Septimus Heap, Tue, 9th Jul '13 10:13:43 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Sorry, I meant the proposals summarized there.

Expy and Lawyer-Friendly Cameo, mainly. I have an issue with making a wick cleanup as a) we do not really have the manpower for it and b) the standard to follow is not defined.

 196 Noaqiyeum, Tue, 9th Jul '13 10:27:56 AM from out of the night from pole to pole Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
I stand by my approach :P

Lawyer-Friendly Cameo doesn't seem like it would need much of a wick check if we merge and redirect, unless I'm misunderstanding the procedure.

edited 9th Jul '13 10:30:26 AM by Noaqiyeum

We dance around in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
- Robert Frost
 197 Septimus Heap, Tue, 9th Jul '13 10:35:49 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
You are misunderstanding the procedure, considering that the wicks would need moving.

As for @170, I honestly do not know how to know that an example fits.

I thought it was agreed to redefine Expy to match its use: Intentionally similar character by a different author. A supertrope to all those others.

edited 9th Jul '13 1:36:10 PM by Discar

 199 Septimus Heap, Tue, 9th Jul '13 1:34:32 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
That definition was ditched long ago, if it was here in the first place.

 200 Noaqiyeum, Tue, 9th Jul '13 2:32:50 PM from out of the night from pole to pole Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
Umm, no, the ditched definition required that it be the same author.
We dance around in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
- Robert Frost
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