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Misused: Expy get usage counts

 151 Anomalocaris 20, Thu, 31st Jan '13 10:39:13 PM from Mr. Bones' Wild Ride Relationship Status: In another castle
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In what way has the world adopted that definition? I really haven't seen it anywhere except Tvtropes.
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Google "an expy of". You'll see it on all sorts of fan sites.

eta: you need the quotes, for some reason, to get sites other than TVT on the first page.

edited 31st Jan '13 10:49:53 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 153 Anomalocaris 20, Thu, 31st Jan '13 10:46:46 PM from Mr. Bones' Wild Ride Relationship Status: In another castle
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Ugh, how annoying that they've adopted a misused trope.

I really don't care much for the Expy trope in of itself, I feel like it exists solely for people to plug their favorite shows on irrelevant pages or draw parallels where they don't exist.
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The world has adopted a broader definition than we originally had. Since it's a made-up word, I think it's hard to call anything "misuse". :)

The broader definition is a logical concept, and helps us solve our Missing Supertrope Syndrome problem too. All in all, I think it's win-win here. Though I admit I'm not as hardcore about the "good ol' days" of TV Tropes as some people are.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 155 Anomalocaris 20, Thu, 31st Jan '13 11:02:39 PM from Mr. Bones' Wild Ride Relationship Status: In another castle
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I just don't like seeing Expy thrown around. Or Shout Out for the same reasons. They're sort of vague as to what constitutes derivation and what constitutes coincidence, and people run with that labeling clear coincidences as derivatives.
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 156 Troacctid, Thu, 31st Jan '13 11:03:41 PM from California
None of the currently-winning crowner options really need a consensus anyway. Broaden to a supertrope? It's already the supertrope, ain't getting much broader. Make a special effort? Go for it, nobody's stopping you. Move examples of Counterpart Comparison to the correct place? That's just basic wiki cleanup, so have at it.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 157 Septimus Heap, Fri, 1st Feb '13 1:27:12 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Waxing, if you want a crowner to be hooked, you need to holler it.

Also, I gave the cleanup a [tdown] because nobody explained to me how to tell examples without knowing the works,

 158 lu 127, Fri, 1st Feb '13 1:55:45 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Yeah, basically, I ignored the crowner because it's unnecessary and I've already given the go-ahead to do a cleanup if you can. What really needs more work from this thread is to nail down the distinctions between expy-related tropes.

edited 1st Feb '13 1:56:28 AM by lu127

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Speaking of the cleanup, can we get some other opinions on Counterpart Comparison? Because Waxing and I have very different views on what that trope means, but I haven't heard from anyone else. We don't want to move misuse of expy to the wrong place, after all.
 160 Waxing Name, Fri, 1st Feb '13 2:27:43 PM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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[up][up]Thing is, if we're going to have a cleanup, we'll need to draw attention to this effort because the misuse is so widespread. I could start a Special Efforts thread, but it would need a lot of support.
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 161 Septimus Heap, Fri, 1st Feb '13 2:31:43 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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As a note: We are splitting Special Efforts up.

 162 Waxing Name, Fri, 1st Feb '13 2:41:48 PM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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[up]Would a thread on Expy go in Long Term/Perpetual due to how widespread the misuse is?

And if so, can I make the thread now?
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 163 Septimus Heap, Fri, 1st Feb '13 2:42:58 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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No, because we expect the cleanup to be finished at some time. That goes into Short Term.

And before you make any thread, you ought to address the question about how to clean up something when context alone doesn't help.

 164 Waxing Name, Fri, 1st Feb '13 2:53:10 PM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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[up]My crowner was made with the philosophy that most everyone has agreed on that a cleanup is needed, we just have no agreement on how it should be done. I made the crowner have the setup in that each choice represented a Single Proposition on how we can clean it up.
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 165 Septimus Heap, Fri, 1st Feb '13 2:57:33 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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OK, I'll rephrase - how do we do a cleanup if we can't fiy any entry if we aren't familiar with the work?

 166 Waxing Name, Fri, 1st Feb '13 2:59:55 PM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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[up]Which is why we really need Wiki News support or something like that in order to make this possible.
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 167 Septimus Heap, Fri, 1st Feb '13 3:00:52 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I think you can holler for that, but it will be a steep fight - to my knowledge, that is a misuse of the headlines and is granted only occasionally.

Considering that a very large number of examples are ZCE anyway, they should either be commented out or deleted outright, with a request for more detail.
 169 Troacctid, Fri, 1st Feb '13 5:01:36 PM from California
It would look a lot like the cleanup thread for Five-Man Band.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 170 Noaqiyeum, Fri, 5th Apr '13 9:40:27 AM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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Bump!

OK, I'll rephrase - how do we do a cleanup if we can't fiy any entry if we aren't familiar with the work?
With reckless enthusiasm and zeal? If the example does anything less than clearly justify that it is this trope (especially to someone not familiar with both works), whether by Word of God or overwhelming evidence in-story, purify it.
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 171 Noaqiyeum, Fri, 5th Apr '13 9:40:27 AM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
[double-bump]

edited 5th Apr '13 9:41:19 AM by Noaqiyeum

"In case of bad dreams and worse reality, sing out loud."
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Some cases are just plain obvious, as in a couple of cases I've seen recently where people were talking about an "expy" of a work (i.e. a deliberate homage) or a plot.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 173 Helter Skelter, Fri, 5th Apr '13 4:25:52 PM Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Expy as its broader "these two characters seem kinda similar" is not a trope. It never will be a trope. It is the worst kinds of trope to have on this wiki. If anything, that kind of trope belongs on Sugar Wiki. I'd rather see all examples of it moved there or cut before broadening the definition.

And, believe it or not, I see mostly correct usages of Expy outside this wiki—people use it to mean "this character is clearly inspired by and is meant to share a lot of traits with this other character" (which is still a bit broader, perhaps, but acceptable).

edited 5th Apr '13 4:27:40 PM by helterskelter

 174 Waxing Name, Sat, 6th Apr '13 10:26:47 AM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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[up]Thing is, like I've pointed out before, "these two characters seem kinda similar", was made an Audience Reaction: Counterpart Comparison. It just needs a little more crosswicking so that we can encourage its use.
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 175 Noaqiyeum, Sat, 6th Apr '13 11:36:00 AM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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And, believe it or not, I see mostly correct usages of Expy outside this wiki—people use it to mean "this character is clearly inspired by and is meant to share a lot of traits with this other character" (which is still a bit broader, perhaps, but acceptable).

...I don't think anyone contests that? The question of broadening Expy is of removing the restriction that the characters be made by the same writer (which probably falls more under Strictly Formula), so that it then matches the use you've observed.
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