Misused: Expy get usage counts
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151 Anomalocaris2031st Jan 2013 10:39:13 PM from Mr. Bones' Wild Ride , Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
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In what way has the world adopted that definition? I really haven't seen it anywhere except Tvtropes.
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152 Xtifr31st Jan 2013 10:45:18 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Google "an expy of". You'll see it on all sorts of fan sites.

eta: you need the quotes, for some reason, to get sites other than TVT on the first page.

edited 31st Jan '13 10:49:53 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
153 Anomalocaris2031st Jan 2013 10:46:46 PM from Mr. Bones' Wild Ride , Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
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Ugh, how annoying that they've adopted a misused trope.

I really don't care much for the Expy trope in of itself, I feel like it exists solely for people to plug their favorite shows on irrelevant pages or draw parallels where they don't exist.
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154 Xtifr31st Jan 2013 10:53:06 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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The world has adopted a broader definition than we originally had. Since it's a made-up word, I think it's hard to call anything "misuse". :)

The broader definition is a logical concept, and helps us solve our Missing Supertrope Syndrome problem too. All in all, I think it's win-win here. Though I admit I'm not as hardcore about the "good ol' days" of TV Tropes as some people are.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
155 Anomalocaris2031st Jan 2013 11:02:39 PM from Mr. Bones' Wild Ride , Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
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I just don't like seeing Expy thrown around. Or Shout Out for the same reasons. They're sort of vague as to what constitutes derivation and what constitutes coincidence, and people run with that labeling clear coincidences as derivatives.
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None of the currently-winning crowner options really need a consensus anyway. Broaden to a supertrope? It's already the supertrope, ain't getting much broader. Make a special effort? Go for it, nobody's stopping you. Move examples of Counterpart Comparison to the correct place? That's just basic wiki cleanup, so have at it.
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157 SeptimusHeap1st Feb 2013 01:27:12 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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Waxing, if you want a crowner to be hooked, you need to holler it.

Also, I gave the cleanup a [tdown] because nobody explained to me how to tell examples without knowing the works,
158 lu1271st Feb 2013 01:55:45 AM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Yeah, basically, I ignored the crowner because it's unnecessary and I've already given the go-ahead to do a cleanup if you can. What really needs more work from this thread is to nail down the distinctions between expy-related tropes.

edited 1st Feb '13 1:56:28 AM by lu127

Speaking of the cleanup, can we get some other opinions on Counterpart Comparison? Because Waxing and I have very different views on what that trope means, but I haven't heard from anyone else. We don't want to move misuse of expy to the wrong place, after all.
[up][up]Thing is, if we're going to have a cleanup, we'll need to draw attention to this effort because the misuse is so widespread. I could start a Special Efforts thread, but it would need a lot of support.
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161 SeptimusHeap1st Feb 2013 02:31:43 PM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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As a note: We are splitting Special Efforts up.
[up]Would a thread on Expy go in Long Term/Perpetual due to how widespread the misuse is?

And if so, can I make the thread now?
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163 SeptimusHeap1st Feb 2013 02:42:58 PM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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No, because we expect the cleanup to be finished at some time. That goes into Short Term.

And before you make any thread, you ought to address the question about how to clean up something when context alone doesn't help.
[up]My crowner was made with the philosophy that most everyone has agreed on that a cleanup is needed, we just have no agreement on how it should be done. I made the crowner have the setup in that each choice represented a Single Proposition on how we can clean it up.
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165 SeptimusHeap1st Feb 2013 02:57:33 PM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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OK, I'll rephrase - how do we do a cleanup if we can't fiy any entry if we aren't familiar with the work?
[up]Which is why we really need Wiki News support or something like that in order to make this possible.
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167 SeptimusHeap1st Feb 2013 03:00:52 PM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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I think you can holler for that, but it will be a steep fight - to my knowledge, that is a misuse of the headlines and is granted only occasionally.
Considering that a very large number of examples are ZCE anyway, they should either be commented out or deleted outright, with a request for more detail.
It would look a lot like the cleanup thread for Five-Man Band.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
170 Noaqiyeum5th Apr 2013 09:40:27 AM from Kcymaerxthaere , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
Bump!

OK, I'll rephrase - how do we do a cleanup if we can't fiy any entry if we aren't familiar with the work?
With reckless enthusiasm and zeal? If the example does anything less than clearly justify that it is this trope (especially to someone not familiar with both works), whether by Word of God or overwhelming evidence in-story, purify it.
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171 Noaqiyeum5th Apr 2013 09:40:27 AM from Kcymaerxthaere , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
[double-bump]

edited 5th Apr '13 9:41:19 AM by Noaqiyeum

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172 Xtifr5th Apr 2013 03:34:55 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Some cases are just plain obvious, as in a couple of cases I've seen recently where people were talking about an "expy" of a work (i.e. a deliberate homage) or a plot.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
173 helterskelter5th Apr 2013 04:25:52 PM , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Expy as its broader "these two characters seem kinda similar" is not a trope. It never will be a trope. It is the worst kinds of trope to have on this wiki. If anything, that kind of trope belongs on Sugar Wiki. I'd rather see all examples of it moved there or cut before broadening the definition.

And, believe it or not, I see mostly correct usages of Expy outside this wiki—people use it to mean "this character is clearly inspired by and is meant to share a lot of traits with this other character" (which is still a bit broader, perhaps, but acceptable).

edited 5th Apr '13 4:27:40 PM by helterskelter

[up]Thing is, like I've pointed out before, "these two characters seem kinda similar", was made an Audience Reaction: Counterpart Comparison. It just needs a little more crosswicking so that we can encourage its use.
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175 Noaqiyeum6th Apr 2013 11:36:00 AM from Kcymaerxthaere , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
And, believe it or not, I see mostly correct usages of Expy outside this wiki—people use it to mean "this character is clearly inspired by and is meant to share a lot of traits with this other character" (which is still a bit broader, perhaps, but acceptable).

...I don't think anyone contests that? The question of broadening Expy is of removing the restriction that the characters be made by the same writer (which probably falls more under Strictly Formula), so that it then matches the use you've observed.
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