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Misused: Expy get usage counts

 76 Waxing Name, Thu, 8th Nov '12 2:34:53 PM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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[up]But moving all of that to Counterpart Comparison helps keep the Fan Wank off of Expy, and, combined with wick cleaning, it will help Counterpart Comparison eventually see use for its real definition.
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 77 Waxing Name, Fri, 9th Nov '12 11:21:58 PM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Never mind, it was discarded, and for good reason.

edited 19th Nov '12 8:35:22 PM by WaxingName

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 78 Waxing Name, Mon, 19th Nov '12 8:36:20 PM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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*bump* This misuse needs to be dealt with.
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 79 Waxing Name, Thu, 29th Nov '12 6:31:24 PM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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*bump again*
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Can someone outline a proposed concrete plan of action here? Or more than one, if there are competing ideas?
 81 Waxing Name, Sat, 1st Dec '12 10:08:47 AM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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[up]Here's as comprehensive an outline as I can make of the problem.

I have a solution in mind: moving all examples that are purely fan perception to Counterpart Comparison, but someone did bring up that we need something to gauge whether an example is fan perception or intentional by the creator.
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I don't know if this is still being worked on, but I'm definitely seeing WAY too many misuses of Expy where a character of an older series is said to be an expy of a character from a much more recent series, and it's grating at me. Should we just go by your proposal and move anything that seems like a fan's Counterpart Comparison to the page, and possibly sort out any that appeal to the other tropes listed in the midst?
The D stands for Destiny ✰ Rosa Metalglove Dickpuncher (also I just got it from Vampire Hunter D).
Yes.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Counterpart Comparison is quite a bit more than just "Fans seeing an expy where one might not exist." It's basically about an expy being treated the same as the character they were based on, even when they have a different backstory and whatnot.
 85 Septimus Heap, Mon, 31st Dec '12 1:26:59 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I wonder if accepting the misusage as a common definition of Expy would work.

I thought that's what he had agreed on a few pages back. Not to mention that that's how it's used off-site.
 87 Septimus Heap, Mon, 31st Dec '12 10:20:29 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Well, if the off-site usage matches our misuse of it, why do we need a threadtongue

Yeah, expy is now "character was similar to another character, " we were just debating on making it a Super Trope and splitting it up.
 
 89 lu 127, Mon, 31st Dec '12 11:03:50 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Splitting has been ruled out.

We already broadened the definition a while back. The original definition was "creator uses a character who is very similar and based off his previous work". It's long been altered to "someone uses a character who is very similar and based on a previous work whether it's theirs or not".

That in itself is not a problem. The problem is people using expy for every little similarity. "White-Haired Pretty Boy and black-haired samurai duo? Definitely a D.Gray-Man expy! Even though they have nothing else in common!"
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 90 Septimus Heap, Mon, 31st Dec '12 11:09:15 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Is this worth a cleanup? I have serious misgivings about that.

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I think this has clearly become a supertrope, and we should probably identify it as such. I'd even vote that way on a crowner, should one become necessary.

Cleaning up misuse, though, doesn't require TRS. Any examples that don't fit either the current definition, or a broadened supertrope can be removed without asking here.

So the only real question I see here seems to be, should we modify this to be a supertrope of tropes like Captain Ersatz? And I think we have to, since that's now how the world uses the term.
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 92 Septimus Heap, Mon, 31st Dec '12 12:25:40 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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The supertrope being "one character resembles the other, intentionally"?

 93 Waxing Name, Thu, 3rd Jan '13 3:12:42 PM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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[up][up]That would also call into question how Counterpart Comparison would fit in.
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Kinda sounds like Counterpart Comparison should be the supertrope, with Expy going back to "same creator/group" definition, doesn't it?
 
 95 Septimus Heap, Thu, 3rd Jan '13 3:37:33 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Counterpart Comparison is an Audience Reaction. It would be the super"trope" for the subjective misuse.

Expy has developed into a far more extensive definition than that. Nevermind that we don't have the workforce for such a cleanup.

 96 Waxing Name, Sat, 5th Jan '13 12:32:39 AM from The floor of the 54 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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[up]The line between Expy's current (mis)use and Counterpart Comparison's definition has become really blurry, though. The simple thing (in my opinion, lazy thing) we can do is merge Counterpart Comparison into Expy to reflect its misuse. If everyone would be willing to take action, though, we could hash out a distinction between the two.
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 97 lu 127, Sat, 5th Jan '13 5:32:29 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
No, it's not. The definition of Expy isn't blurry. It's fan wank sinkholing that makes the examples go into silly territory.
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 98 Septimus Heap, Sat, 5th Jan '13 5:55:28 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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And the difficulty in distinguishing the fan wanking sinkholery from the good examples is what makes a cleanup so difficult.

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If we're not changing the name or the definition, though, cleanup isn't really a TRS issue. It's just regular old vanilla cleanup; a special efforts issue at worst.

The only real TRS-related question we have is: should we officially declare Expy to be a supertrope. And I think that suggestion makes a whole lot of sense.

Do we need a crowner?
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 100 Septimus Heap, Sat, 5th Jan '13 2:05:23 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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First, we need a definition for the supertrope. Something like "Character resembles other character, intentionally"?

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