Flower FairyBut moving all of that to Counterpart Comparison helps keep the Fan Wank off of Expy, and, combined with wick cleaning, it will help Counterpart Comparison eventually see use for its real definition.
Flower FairyNever mind, it was discarded, and for good reason.
edited 19th Nov '12 8:35:22 PM by WaxingName
Flower Fairy*bump* This misuse needs to be dealt with.
Flower Fairy*bump again*
Teutonic Tomboy T-GirlCan someone outline a proposed concrete plan of action here? Or more than one, if there are competing ideas?
Flower FairyHere's as comprehensive an outline as I can make of the problem. I have a solution in mind: moving all examples that are purely fan perception to Counterpart Comparison, but someone did bring up that we need something to gauge whether an example is fan perception or intentional by the creator.
I don't know if this is still being worked on, but I'm definitely seeing WAY too many misuses of Expy where a character of an older series is said to be an expy of a character from a much more recent series, and it's grating at me. Should we just go by your proposal and move anything that seems like a fan's Counterpart Comparison to the page, and possibly sort out any that appeal to the other tropes listed in the midst?
The D stands for Destiny ✰ Rosa Metalglove Dickpuncher (also I just got it from Vampire Hunter D).
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Counterpart Comparison is quite a bit more than just "Fans seeing an expy where one might not exist." It's basically about an expy being treated the same as the character they were based on, even when they have a different backstory and whatnot.
A Wizard boyI wonder if accepting the misusage as a common definition of Expy would work.
I thought that's what he had agreed on a few pages back. Not to mention that that's how it's used off-site.
A Wizard boyWell, if the off-site usage matches our misuse of it, why do we need a thread
Yeah, expy is now "character was similar to another character, " we were just debating on making it a Super Trope and splitting it up.
White-Haired Pretty Boy and black-haired samurai duo? Definitely a D.Gray-Man expy! Even though they have nothing else in common!"
A Wizard boyIs this worth a cleanup? I have serious misgivings about that.
World's Toughest MilkmanI think this has clearly become a supertrope, and we should probably identify it as such. I'd even vote that way on a crowner, should one become necessary. Cleaning up misuse, though, doesn't require TRS. Any examples that don't fit either the current definition, or a broadened supertrope can be removed without asking here. So the only real question I see here seems to be, should we modify this to be a supertrope of tropes like Captain Ersatz? And I think we have to, since that's now how the world uses the term.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
A Wizard boyThe supertrope being "one character resembles the other, intentionally"?
Flower FairyThat would also call into question how Counterpart Comparison would fit in.
Kinda sounds like Counterpart Comparison should be the supertrope, with Expy going back to "same creator/group" definition, doesn't it?
A Wizard boyCounterpart Comparison is an Audience Reaction. It would be the super"trope" for the subjective misuse. Expy has developed into a far more extensive definition than that. Nevermind that we don't have the workforce for such a cleanup.
Flower FairyThe line between Expy's current (mis)use and Counterpart Comparison's definition has become really blurry, though. The simple thing (in my opinion, lazy thing) we can do is merge Counterpart Comparison into Expy to reflect its misuse. If everyone would be willing to take action, though, we could hash out a distinction between the two.
A Wizard boyAnd the difficulty in distinguishing the fan wanking sinkholery from the good examples is what makes a cleanup so difficult.
World's Toughest MilkmanIf we're not changing the name or the definition, though, cleanup isn't really a TRS issue. It's just regular old vanilla cleanup; a special efforts issue at worst. The only real TRS-related question we have is: should we officially declare Expy to be a supertrope. And I think that suggestion makes a whole lot of sense. Do we need a crowner?
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
A Wizard boyFirst, we need a definition for the supertrope. Something like "Character resembles other character, intentionally"?
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