Five-Man Band has been receiving a lot of misuse. As was concluded in this TRS thread, it needs a massive cleanup. There are over 30 subpages and almost 3500 wicks to be gone through. This thread is for organizing the cleanup effort and discussing any and all examples to be added and cut.
What is correct use of the trope?
- The characters must be part of a team, that is, a team dynamic must exist between members of the band.
- There must be exactly 5 team members
Format for examples
In an effort to cut down on misuse as well as get rid of all the Zero Context Examples, we are trying to shift all examples to the following format. If you are familiar with a current work and can do a writeup for it, please do so and post it here.
The sandbox for sorting examples is here.
Completed
Subpages:
- Other (Moved and redirected to a Just for Fun page, as that is what is was acting as.)
Still needs work
Wicks (Related To page):
- B-V
I will keep this post updated with the progress made, and any other needed information.
Edited by MacronNotes on May 19th 2022 at 8:59:40 AM
not familiar with the story, but it also looks like a ZCE.
If no one can provide context then cut it or comment it out.
Does this work?
- KickAss: the first film
- Big Bad: Frank D'Amico, a powerful mob boss and Arch-Enemy of Big Daddy.
- The Dragon, Big Joe, Frank's right hand man and Honest Advisor.
- Evil Genius: Victor Gigante, a high-ranking Dirty Cop who provides Frank with information on the inside of the NYPD.
- The Brute: Stu, a large Scary Black Man who is the leader of Frank's Mooks and likes to use big weapons, like bazookas.
- Dark Chick: Chris D'Amico, Frank's son who is The Mole for Frank regarding Kick-Ass and a bit of a Psychopathic Manchild.
edited 6th May '16 2:41:41 PM by k410ren
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and killsNo - looks like it's got at least two shoehorns. The Evil Genius is not just "the inside man", and The Dark Chick (as usual) seems iffy.
Dark Chick is again the old definition of Wacky Guy rather than an actual Dark Chick by the current definition.
That said, Dark Chick as a stand alone concept that is the Evil Counterpart of The Chick might not be part of the Five Bad Band since it is such an issue.
Maybe FBB should change to be Big Bad, Dragon, Evil Genius, Brute, Wacky Guy
edited 6th May '16 2:53:47 PM by acrobox
Well, I personally thought Chris was pretty wacky (just look at his costume) and Vic Gigante did more than pass information (like framing Damon Macready), I guess I worded it badly.
And the rest?
edited 6th May '16 3:00:32 PM by k410ren
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and killsIt's clearly not an example of Five Bad Band regardless of the other characters qualifying or not. I'm not going to comment any further about the Dark Chick because the trope is such a mess, but the Evil Genius example sounds unquestionably wrong. The Evil Genius is:
Just like the Smart Guy (his Good Counterpart), this character is very frequently described as physically unimposing...
Although they tend to be the most intelligent, that intelligence usually never translates into political savvy, business acumen or leadership ability all of which rely more on street smarts, people skills and charisma than just technical knowledge. As a result, the evil genius is usually never the top dog. But he's still closer to the top than most.
A mole who frames somebody does not really fit (the last paragraph seems particularly relevant here), and as such the whole thing isn't an example.
Fair enough.
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and killsI say ax the example for The Hobbit. ZCE, one doesn't really qualify as a character and one doesn't really interact with the rest.
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and killsI haven't seen the movie, but there's absolutely no "band" about that grouping in the book.
I think this one is misapplied, it's a ZCE.
- Ice Age
- Big Bad - Soto
- The Dragon/Dragon with an Agenda - Diego
- The Evil Genius/The Dragon - Lenny
- The Brute - Zeke
- The Dark Chick - Oscar
I think whoever added that mixed up a lot of the sabers. Lenny was the big one, Zeke was the scrawny one, and Oscar was... uh, the third one. I don't recall Lenny taking the role of The Dragon after Diego left, and the only reason I could see Zeke counting as The Brute is because he was constantly hungry and leaped at any opportunity to eat the main characters. None of them really filled the role of the The Evil Genius. I say cut it.
edited 20th May '16 2:59:04 PM by chasemaddigan
From what I remember of the film, Oscar was the soft-spoken smooth talker.
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and killsDone.
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and killsI deleted this from Daily Life with Monster Girl:
- Five-Man Band: The main girls tend to lean towards certain roles, though it tends to shuffle a bit as the plot progresses and on whom the chapter is focusing on at the moment.
- The Leader: Miia. She was the first girl introduced, has had by far the most screen time and is often treated as the poster girl for the series.
- The Lancer: Centorea. Often the foil of Miia's more emotional approach, though she's constantly shown to be Not So Above It All.
- The Big Guy: Suu. Though physically the smallest girl most of the time, her flexible form lets her tank damage easily and act as the group's muscle more then once. She also quickly becomes the tallest girl if she absorbs water. Taken to the literal extreme in Chapter 20.
- The Smart Guy: Rachnera. Easily the most level headed and emotionally stable girl. She will often pick out flaws in the other girls' plans and doesn't believe in wearing a mask.
- The Chick: Mero. Always seems to be smiling, and is very supportive of other girl's attempts to win Kimihito. Admittedly, this stems from her fantasy of tragic love and desire to merely be his mistress.
- Tagalong Kid: Papi. Though the same age as Kimihito and the other girls, her petite figure and scatterbrained personality has her play to this role a lot.
- The Seventh Ranger: Lala. Introduced much later in the series then the other girls and was even initially portrayed as a villain. After her arc, she usually hangs out in the background unless she's genuinely needed.
7 members is not an FMB. But since its pretty fleshed out, it could probably be moved under The Team.
Yes, that could work as long as they have roles in a team, not just character type in an ensemble.
A couple of weeks ago Five-Man Band was added to Season Specific Tropes.
Taken care of. Moved it under The Team.
More than five characters, many shared roles, and male chicks. Not FMB
This grouping is one I made a few years back for Sleeping Dogs but this one bothered me.
- Five Bad Band:
- The Sun On Yee Red Poles.
- Big Bad: Uncle Po
- The Dragon: Henry "Big Smile" Lee. Only because he gets the most money for Uncle Po and is highly ambitious in replacing him as the chairman; "Pockmark" Cheuk fills the more traditional second-in-command role.
- The Evil Genius: "Two Chin" Tsao
- The Brute: Both Winston Chu and Sam "Dogeyes" Lin fill this role, ironically.
- The Dark Chick: "Broken Nose" Jiang
- The Sun On Yee Red Poles.
Specifically because Broken Nose Jiang was originally the Evil Genius with Two Chin Tsao being the Dark Chick. Because despite being the sole female Jiang was The Chessmaster who used the main character to take over the whole triad. What Tsao had going for him was being the subject of a fairly comical mission where you exploit his paranoid obsession with Feng Shui. He runs a gambling racket even though he's a terrible gambler himself and he relapses into heroin abuse when he thinks he's "cursed" and secludes himself.
Only potential Evil Genius aspect of him is that he dabbles in white collar crime.
edited 28th May '16 10:24:34 AM by Imoo57
The Dark Chick was redefined last year to be more along the lines of the wily female type, instead of the wacky guy or the odd man out.
If the white collar crime aspect requires more thinking than the other members, it may actually be a good example as per the new definition.
Found this on the X-Men: Apocalypse page and deleted it due to being a ZCE.
- Five Bad Band:
- Big Bad: Apocalypse
- The Dragon:Magneto
- Evil Genius:Psylocke
- The Brute:Archangel
- Dark Chick:Storm
Left a note with the edit to explain how they fit Five Bad Band.
Or can anyone here answer that question?
edited 28th May '16 10:59:18 AM by k410ren
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and killsThey aren't a Five Bad Band. They're an Elite Four in service to a Big Bad. The roles don't match up cleanly at all.
Jiang isn't a wily female. She's a very cold and pragmatic buisnesswoman with no emotional ties to the main character other than using him as a puppet and letting him live at the end because he "proved himself loyal". Two Chin Tsao's white colllar stuff is All There in the Manual.
But that assumes you mean wily in the enrgetic/active/flirtatious sense. In the strict deceitful, cunning and sharp witted defininition then she definetly is.
edited 29th May '16 3:14:30 AM by Imoo57
I say cut the Five-Man Band for Prometheus. For one, there's more than the five in the group that qualify as main characters, like Vickers and Janek.
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills