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Fate oath/alternative (Festival of Epics Reboot) Discussion:

 1026 darksidevoid, Tue, 9th Oct '12 8:13:59 PM from Palace of Friendship Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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Maybe, but the hurricane is theoretically a temporary effect. More specifically, it's like a terrain effect in that it can't affect you if you're not within the area it's covering. Considering that, it makes even less sense to use the already-modified rank as a starting point when the use of Wukong's ability alters his baseline stats. I've thought of a perfect workaround to this problem, actually. I was writing a midterm until just now, or else I would have responded earlier. Just need to know if I should use the workaround, though I stand by the argument I made earlier in this post.
"I have a very terrible announcement to make to you all today. The world is coming to an end very, very soon."
 1027 KSPAM, Tue, 9th Oct '12 8:42:48 PM from running in the 90s Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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Dude, it covers the whole fucking city. You're not going to get away from it. And even if we apply the status effect to Sun Wukong after he divides into two, he'd still have E+ Agility at best (i.e he starts off at A+, division ranks down his speed to B+ or A, the hurricane then ranks it down by three letter ranks, setting it at E+ or D, whichever you prefer).
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I see what you're getting at Darkside, though I have to disagree. While in the area that is under the effects of Kusanagi (which is the entire city of Archwood and De le Mancha), Wukong's, along with all the other Servant's Agility are reduced to their new 'semi'-permanent ranks.

Since Wukong used his clone thing while under the affects of Kusanagi, him and his clones Agility would go down to E+ Rank because his current base stat is D+. His original stat outside of Kusanagi is A+, and if he used his clone thingy outside of Kusanagi's range, then it would be B+. If he walked inside Kusanagi's range with his clone, then it would be reduced to C+ Rank because his base Agility stat while walking inside of the range of Kusanagi was B+.

And what KSPAM said is pretty much right since that was Kusanagi's original function, though I'm more-or-less ignoring the "+" modifiers to make it a hell of a lot less complex (though it seems to have done the opposite, apparently), even though technically Kusanagi affects all Ranks of Agility equal to, less than, or greater than Yami's, and reduces those greater than hers (including "+" modifiers) by 3 ranks, equal to hers by 1 rank, and those less than hers by a "-", which basically cuts their agility in half.

So, as to avoid further arguments and to make things absolutely clear... and with the permission of the G Ms and everyone else, I'd like to throw out the previous chart, make a proper chart for the stat reduction, and not half-ass it this time.

Would that be alright?

edited 9th Oct '12 9:08:26 PM by Aevum

Sometimes, you just gotta do the unexpected to catch the expected unexpected individual who you are expecting.
 1029 darksidevoid, Tue, 9th Oct '12 9:05:10 PM from Palace of Friendship Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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1) Catapult self into upper atmosphere via Noble Phantasm, be outside of hurricane.
2) ???
3) Profit!

"+" modifiers only temporarily take effect under special conditions. I don't see why they would be considered "above" an unmodified B or C or what-have-you, since they're exactly the same under all other conditions. It makes more sense not to take "+" or "-" into account when calculating any stat changes ever, which is what I've been doing the whole time.

A proper chart or spreadsheet would be nice, however.

edited 9th Oct '12 9:12:19 PM by darksidevoid

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 1030 KSPAM, Tue, 9th Oct '12 9:15:35 PM from running in the 90s Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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*deep breaths*

Okay. I'm sorry for getting snippy. I've had a long day. But. darksidevoid, it is not okay for you to just blatantly ignore another player's Noble Phantasm like that, especially when it was discussed in full only a page or so ago.
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 1031 darksidevoid, Tue, 9th Oct '12 10:11:38 PM from Palace of Friendship Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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Yes, I know. Do you actually think I would do something like that? Do you think I'm making up justifications on the fly here, or something?

I thought I understood how Kusanagi's ability worked, and I've explained how, namely that it acts like a sort of territory effect, and acts on a baseline that exists independent of its effects. Perhaps I was incorrect, but I've been working under that assumption. If I hadn't been working under that assumption, I wouldn't have moved Wukong to attack, because it would be utterly stupid and suicidal for him to do so.

I can't tell if you're taking issue with that or with my solution to the in-game situation (by which I mean shooting Wukong to the upper atmosphere via his NP). If it's the latter, I don't see why you would take issue with a creative approach to a problem, especially considering that he wouldn't at all be ignoring the effects of Kusanagi after he returned Earthward, and he and everyone else would still be slower than Orochi, which I gather is the whole point of Kusanagi other than wanton destruction of property via hurricane (and for the record, I have absolutely no problem with the fact that it does either of those things).

edited 9th Oct '12 10:23:29 PM by darksidevoid

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Get off your lazy ass and write my characters out of this damn hole you made me Death!
 1033 Auraof Mild Chaos, Fri, 12th Oct '12 11:35:00 AM from Elsewhere Get RP Mod Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
In The Zone
I'll get a post up for Elias and Valeria tonight. I blame Dishonored for consuming my days...not that I skipped classes to play it but I may have skipped classes to play it >.>
B-Ball is about to get real intense really soon.
 1034 Ragna The Saviour, Fri, 12th Oct '12 11:59:22 AM from Gamindustri Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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I'd like to say, regarding Galahad, that I must eat my own words. A quote from Fate/zero:

Gawain who had heroically sacrificed himself, Galahad who had lost his life in the line of duty—what did they think of, in their last moment? Did they leave this world with the same regret and unwillingness? Why was she so certain that that was not true?

"No matter how many times you try, justice is totally on our side!"
 1035 KSPAM, Fri, 12th Oct '12 1:41:36 PM from running in the 90s Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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... Well damn.

EDIT: And if anyone's wondering why Archer's speaking in Japanese instead of English, it's not because I'm a weaboo. He's just that mad.

edited 12th Oct '12 1:57:13 PM by KSPAM

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 1036 Taco, Fri, 12th Oct '12 8:38:19 PM Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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Does that mean that Archer has a Japanese accent? Suddenly he's a lot less GAR and a lot more uh...

"AND AZSH AI PRAY, UNRIMITED BRADE WORKSH!!"

So yeah, losing the accent while retaining the language is rather important.

 1037 Augustine, Fri, 12th Oct '12 8:50:02 PM from the Church on the hill Get RP Mod Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
My King
This would be great if Jessica couldn't understand a word he said.
 1038 Auraof Mild Chaos, Fri, 12th Oct '12 9:05:15 PM from Elsewhere Get RP Mod Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
In The Zone
Engrish Archer was badass to me. It sounded like the right mix of awesome and funny.
B-Ball is about to get real intense really soon.
 1039 Taco, Fri, 12th Oct '12 9:06:49 PM Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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Archer grabbed the magus by the collar, and lifted him face to face. "What right do you have to wark arr over her idear rike dat?! Sure it'sh foorish, but dat girr, your dodder, she bred for dat idear! She'sh given up everyding sherfreshshry, and yet you can shimplr dismishsh her?! Rike she'sh not even worff anyffing?! You're her faffer!"

 1040 KSPAM, Fri, 12th Oct '12 9:08:11 PM from running in the 90s Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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[up][up][up][up] Dude, Archer's Engrish was a huge part of what made him badass. Do you know anyone else who could say the Unlimited Blade Works chant in a heavy Japanese accent and make it sound badass? Do you?

edited 12th Oct '12 9:08:41 PM by KSPAM

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 1041 Augustine, Fri, 12th Oct '12 9:11:06 PM from the Church on the hill Get RP Mod Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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When I say the UBW chant, I automatically say it in engrish. It doesn't sound right any other way.
 1042 Ragna The Saviour, Sat, 13th Oct '12 7:14:02 AM from Gamindustri Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Purple Heart
[up] Same goes for me.
"No matter how many times you try, justice is totally on our side!"
 1043 Ragna The Saviour, Mon, 15th Oct '12 9:07:41 AM from Gamindustri Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Purple Heart
Activity check. Are most people waiting on posts from Death Chariot?
"No matter how many times you try, justice is totally on our side!"
 1044 darksidevoid, Mon, 15th Oct '12 9:18:11 AM from Palace of Friendship Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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Yes, but I'm also waiting on some kind of reaction from Bedivere, Ravana, and possibly Jackie (all KSPAM), as well as a clear answer as to whether I can have Sun Wukong fling himself above the hurricane momentarily by use of his staff.
"I have a very terrible announcement to make to you all today. The world is coming to an end very, very soon."
 1045 KSPAM, Mon, 15th Oct '12 10:05:03 AM from running in the 90s Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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I told you you could control Jackie now, right? I'm handing her over to you. I have too many characters, so I'm trying to pass off or get rid of some of my smaller role characters.

As for Bedivere... that also has to do with Death Chariot, since he controls Kay. So....
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 1046 Auraof Mild Chaos, Mon, 15th Oct '12 10:48:01 AM from Elsewhere Get RP Mod Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
In The Zone
For Valeria, yes since he plays Augustus. On the other hand, with Elias I suppose I'm waiting on Daltar/Robin and Assassin #57 of 108 or whatever number that one happens to be.
B-Ball is about to get real intense really soon.
Planet-Killer
I'll try to set Death straight back on track.
 1048 KSPAM, Mon, 15th Oct '12 10:51:53 AM from running in the 90s Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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Are his finals over?
Team? You mean cannon fodder? — neobowman

Goodfae: a mafia web serial
Planet-Killer
Indeed they are, but he's still unmotivated to RP due to him getting a DS and getting punished for faring poorly on his grades.

edited 15th Oct '12 10:56:55 AM by Strigon

Sad.... :(
Still around and I am technically waiting for Death Chariot too, but to be honest, with X-Com and Dishonored being released a little lag for a few days suits me just fine.tongue (I will still kick myself into posting in a day or two, even without DC)
Has a compulsive editing and re-editing disorder.
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