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 676 Gabrael, Sun, 14th Oct '12 10:10:27 PM from My musings Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
A Polar Bear Named Gabrael
[up] no, by all means thank you I need it!

The longer you work at it also increases the rejections, which have by this point topped 100. So yes! All encouragement is appreciated!

But eventually, if I keep nagging enough, someone's got to say yes. I just hope whomever says yes will pay me a living wage.
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." -Groucho Marx
 677 SKJAM, Mon, 15th Oct '12 9:39:12 AM from Minneapolis Relationship Status: Cast away
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Yep, even the most effective of job seekers needs encouragement and support. It's damn tough to keep up a positive attitude, and we need to show that positive attitude to every single possible employer, even the ones we're not actually looking for work from.
Euo will do!
@Gabrael: Glad I can help, even if it's just a little bit. smile (And, people say there's no practical use to ballistic emoticon use in chat. Fie on them! [lol])

[up]Agreed: constructive support is vital when job-hunting. Tea and sympathy is always useful, but... not that easy to get, sometimes. tongue I just wish more people would give job-seekers the benefit of the doubt, instead of constantly targeting them as slackers. sad It ain't easy slogging away at the email or interview route day after day, and that should be acknowledged more. smile
"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
 679 Gabrael, Mon, 15th Oct '12 10:20:45 AM from My musings Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
A Polar Bear Named Gabrael
Haha it's awesome!

Yeah, of the 12 apps I put in yesterday, four have been auto-rejected on either not specific enough experience or over-qualification. Four are being pushed to the next stage for meeting minimum requirements, and I haven't heard anything about the others.

I would have hit the pavement today, but I got a late start from locking my keys in my car so I have to skip and go straight to doing homework. Blah...
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." -Groucho Marx
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Now, that being said, there is such a thing as waiting too long. If you don't at least try to get your foot in the door somewhere, you'll soon realize that you're missing out in comparison to others who were serving their time while you were waiting.

And by god wait constructively! Learn a new language, learn a skill, get certified in something, finish a class, do an independent project, network like hell, volunteer somewhere!

Do something to at least actively push yourself forward because I am willing to bet money I don't have that if you do get that dream interview, the boss isn't going to be impressed with gaps on your CV without any constructive reasoning.

Gabe, I know you have a boyfriend and all, but....will you marry me? smile

It was an honor
 681 They Call Me Tomu, Mon, 15th Oct '12 2:48:27 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Sureeeeendaaaa
I tried taking a tax preparer course, but it kicked my ass :/

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[up] Who'd you do it through?
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 683 They Call Me Tomu, Mon, 15th Oct '12 2:59:31 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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It's a free online course, so I wasn't expecting much.

Part of my problem is that I really only have so much mental energy I can devote to studying in a day, and since my online courses through Ashford University are fairly quick, most days I have to read at least a full chapter from my relevant text, which burns through most of that.

I suffer from a lot of burnout QQ

edited 15th Oct '12 3:00:28 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

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Any community colleges or libraries offering live, in-person tax courses?
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 685 They Call Me Tomu, Mon, 15th Oct '12 3:12:49 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Sureeeeendaaaa
Interesting point. There might be-the main reason I chose to go online was because I didn't want to spend 2 hours a day on a bus and pay associated bus fare.

But, I don't think I have the energy for that sort of thing. I'm having difficulty enough concentrating on my classes-which really worries me, because it shouldn't be hard.

I'll talk to my therapist. People prescribe adderall for students these days right?

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Personally, I go with a healthy dose of perserverance. Our resident psychoanalyst Euo might have more tips.
It was an honor
Euo will do!
[up]Tired: so... not going to go into detail. But, a new re-evaluation and possible change in medication might actually be a good move in the short term, to be honest: attention is like that. Along with some investigation into alternative learning techniques that might suit for longer-term adaptation. <shrugs>

edited 15th Oct '12 3:37:58 PM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
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[up] You never fail to disappoint. Thanks for the tips Euo. I have some unemployed friends I can pass these tips to.
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 689 They Call Me Tomu, Mon, 15th Oct '12 4:10:11 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Sureeeeendaaaa
I'm not on any medications, actually. Can't afford anything really, due to not having any insurance. An exception is Zoloft, but that would be for anxiety or depression, not attention.

 690 Gabrael, Mon, 15th Oct '12 6:20:07 PM from My musings Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
A Polar Bear Named Gabrael
Starship, you're too young for me.

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." -Groucho Marx
It's been said before, but if you're upskilling, definitely keep it up.

I helped my dad with some (unpaid) office work while he was doing some (also unpaid!) legal work. Not only did this come up during my job interview, it was an opportunity to mention that I learned a fair number of things about legal issues surrounding property (and while this had zero relation to the job I was being interviewed for, I'm told it was still looked on favourably).

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Shit! Euo, that was a typo, I meant you never disappoint. Not fail to disappoint. I was thanking you for your post. I'm sorry.

@Gabe - Oh, well. Guess we'll have to settle for being forum homies.
It was an honor
Euo will do!
[up]roflmao Don't worry... I read you right the first time, mate. <hugs> I'm the typo and transcription error queen who has to practically edit every post, remember?

[up][up]Exactly: being able to chat about such things makes you come across as a rounded and interesting person with a large, practical general knowledge base that could come in useful, regardless of how teensy it might look in black and white on a CV. It also shows willing. smile

edited 16th Oct '12 5:52:44 AM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
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Hi, I've been thinking long and hard about what to do after college, and now I'd like some outside opinions. I have a bachelor degree in environmental science and all during my last semester, this past summer, and now moving into October I have been applying for various jobs. I am concerned that I will not be able to start my career in this economy.

So my options are: To follow my mother's advice and get a basic law enforcement training certification to become a police officer/park ranger. According to her experience from either job could lead to a good paying position with various state agencies like the Department of Natural Resources or the State Bureau of Investigation. or Join the US airforce, commit to a 4 year enlistment, get housed, fed, paid, and trained. the experience and training would be useful and look good on my resume. if I go back to school the GI Bill would pay the full cost of my tuition for 36 months + $1, 000 per year for books + about $1, 400 per month for housing.

My main career goal is to get a job that pays enough to allow me to live comfortably while paying off my student loans, eventually afford my own home, and have the option for advancement. I want to make the choice that will eventually lead to a good paying job the quickest. I could join the police force and maybe I'll move up to a nice paying position eventually or never go anywhere. I could enlist in the military and since they provide housing and food and I won't have to commute to work I'll essentially be able to pocket my paychecks and after four years I can go back to school and get nearly a full ride on my master's degree. Depending on what degree I choose I think I will be much more employable with a military service record and a master degree. I'll have more choices than now at least, but what training I get in military and what university the GI benefits will apply to won't be up to me. And I will essentially spend another 8 years before i can start my real career. And the recruiter told me my gpa isn't high enough to got to officer training so I'd start out as an E3. Does anybody have any opinions or experiences that they would like to share about what career choices pay off the most in the long term?

 695 Oh So Into Cats, Thu, 18th Oct '12 8:27:53 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
So... does anybody know anything about creating texts/the industry that goes along with that?

I think I have found my true calling in life but I don't know how to pursue it.

edited 18th Oct '12 8:31:09 PM by ohsointocats

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Eidolonomics: ~60.4k/100,000 words
 696 Gabrael, Thu, 18th Oct '12 9:04:05 PM from My musings Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
A Polar Bear Named Gabrael
[up][up] okay here's the deal with law enforcement.

1) depending on the specific department you are going in, it differs but some things are constant. I'll tell you where you can get your info, but double check for specific requirements for your area.

2) most departments, especially city police, require you to actually be hired on before you go to the police academy. So you may have to win the interview before school. Sometimes they polygraph you in academy, sometimes they do it seperate. But every cop goes through full background check, yes they will call/hunt down your refrences as well as other people you may not have refrenced. So be nice to people.

3) look up the physical reqs for that department. None of them are universal. You have to take a written exam and a PT test to graduate. Some departments have annual PT you have to pass, some have every three years, some are department specific. So make sure you know what is expected of you and start gradually training for it beforehand.

4) look up the affirmative action ratios for your department. Everyone has them. It'll help you know if you're wasting your time trying to get in the wrong city/district. They hold to them by law.

5) it takes 3 years of patrol before you can transfer to another area or department. If someone says they didn't have to do their 3 years, they did something shady or it was done for them. I don't care if you're a senior FBI encoder or a Delta Force member. 3 years.

6) you will get the shit shifts until you get seniority. That means 3 am to 11 pm, 5pm to 3 am, that kind of stuff. And I've never heard of anyone anywhere getting weekends off regardless of shift time without almost 15-20 years under them. You'll probably get Tuesday/Thursdays or something gritty like that.

7) be prepared to do a ton of paperwork. Never cut corners on your paperwork. Ever. It's the only thing that will save your butt in a he said/political drama both on the streets and in the department.

8) you will be maced. It sucks, but it's not that bad. Just don't rub your eyes even if you've washed your hands 100 times. To carry pepper spray, you have to be pepper sprayed. Now a taser is different. Sometimes you have to be inflicted, sometimes you don't. My local department won't taze patrols, but SWAT maybe. If your city has riot gear then you may have to be hit with an electric shield, but that's not bad. I rather take a shield than a stun gun.

9) most departments have cut loan forgiveness due to budget cuts, but all departments consider college credit in pay rates and promotion potential. You have to test to up rank anywhere. So nothing is gaurenteed.

10) you can find all the information you need including applications and requirements at city hall. If you are considering sherrif or state, go to city hall anyway and ask them where to go because those offices are sometimes grouped funny depending where you live. They'll also tell you how you'll have to apply for those positions because that differs too.

11) park rangers apply through the federal sites such as usajobs.gov. however, I would go talk to the actual rangers to be sure. I know nothing else about them.

I'm sorry for the wall of text, but if I haven't covered something or you want me to answer something else, feel free to ask and I'll help as I can. The Military thread is really good here. Those guys can help you with that route. I know a touch, but not near as much as law enforcement. But yeah, just lemme know if I can help!
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." -Groucho Marx
 697 Tomoe Michieru, Sat, 20th Oct '12 3:31:53 PM from Huntsville AL
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Mum suggested to me that I wasn't getting calls back from fast-food places because they consider me overqualified (almost finished with a Bachelor's in History). I've been self-employed for nearly seven years as a writer (therefore developing that skill) and only had two fast food jobs before that, with no contactable references.

I somehow doubt this overqualified theory has any water. Am I in some weird grey area?
 698 Gabrael, Sat, 20th Oct '12 5:01:16 PM from My musings Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
A Polar Bear Named Gabrael
No regretfully, it's not. That's what's getting me too. Very few minimum wage jobs, especially fast food, are going to hire anyone higher than an Associates.

I actually just got two more rejections this weekend for overquaification.
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." -Groucho Marx
 699 Tomoe Michieru, Sat, 20th Oct '12 5:38:20 PM from Huntsville AL
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I've taken about three years' worth of classes (in my major, at least), but I have no formal degree. They still count partially-completed stuff?

edited 20th Oct '12 5:38:41 PM by TomoeMichieru

 700 Gabrael, Sat, 20th Oct '12 6:34:34 PM from My musings Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
A Polar Bear Named Gabrael
People have a real disconnect with what a degree can get you.

They see a Bachelor's and they think: middle management, set job, why invest in someone who is going to probably want more money, maybe management track, and will just leave as soon as they find something better when they can get someone with no education to do it at base level and will be there a while.

It only gets worse the higher you go.
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." -Groucho Marx
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