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Job search strategy discussion thread:

Gunpla is amazing!
Right.

I want a career in something I actually enjoy or at least am decent at...

But I'm not good at anything productive.

I really thought 3D animation was for me but...I dont know why, it just didn't click.

I'm really scared because I don't know what to do with y life. And the personality and job test I took at my college didn't tell me much. Other than saying...Librarian...

edited 12th Oct '12 10:55:34 AM by Thorn14

 627 Caissas Death Angel, Fri, 12th Oct '12 10:55:57 AM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
Mid-level professionals laid-off during the recession were specifically told by anyone with a modicum of intelligence not to just go for the first job they could get.

Certainly, beggars cannot be choosers, but at the same time, one has to think beyond the immediate term as well. A professional taking a bottom rung job now will be killing their CV for, say, 5 years time when times are better. So it's wise to hold off in such situations.

When starting your career though, you certainly need to take what you can get, and just accept and deal with the stress. I've had an awful last 3 weeks in my job, it's been hella stressful and it is having an impact on me. But it's not always like this and won't be. In any case, the job pays the bills, thus facilitating the more interesting aspects of my life. It could be better, certainly, but I'll take this over being unemployed again every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.
Gunpla is amazing!
Oh trust me, i'm not going "This is beneath me!"

I just want to get a job in something I'm at the very least useful in.

And I have zero clue what route to take for my career. I spent my whole life thinking art or animation was going to be my thing.

Then surprise surprise, I suck at it and I'm not all that motivated.

edited 12th Oct '12 11:00:18 AM by Thorn14

 629 Caissas Death Angel, Fri, 12th Oct '12 11:05:06 AM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
You certainly don't need to have your entire career planned out yet. My dad did only bottom of the ladder jobs until he was 28, 20 years later he's a high flying executive.

Where you are now, you really do need to take the first thing you can get, and just suck it up if you don't like it or aren't confident. Incompetence is a self-fulfilling nature a lot of the time; stop caring about it and just go with things and you'll find yourself becoming a lot better. Act like you've got nothing to lose, which is rather true anyway, and just go for it.

Worst case scenario, you fail having at least tried. Life doesn't necessarily give a damn that you tried, but it gives even less of one for excuses of any kind.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.
Loli Hitler
[up]x5 You're acting as if no successful person has ever started out working in a mundane job. What, so taking a job at Mc Donald's means you will be stuck there your entire life?

edited 12th Oct '12 11:08:18 AM by Jauce

Gunpla is amazing!
[up][up]

If I'm forced to live life at fast food for my whole life i'd rather eat a bullet (or join the Military)

I'm not complaining about getting a job. I'm wondering what to do about my CAREER.

edited 12th Oct '12 11:13:28 AM by Thorn14

 632 Caissas Death Angel, Fri, 12th Oct '12 11:15:19 AM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
[up] You're fallaciously assuming it will be your whole life, rather than just a few months or a couple of years. Some day, I want a permanent job rather than a temp role. But I've not had luck with that so far, so I persevere with what I can get, improving myself as I can.

You need to the same. I know it's hard, but really, saying you'd rather kill yourself than work a certan type of job is melodramatic as all Hell and tells me, from an employer's perspective, that yes, you are saying that such work is beneath you and that you are not worth hiring for anything else.

Beggars can't be choosers.

And as I've just said, your career can come later. Get a job first, get some money, skills and experience from that, then think "career". Not until your late twenties or early 30s should your career be the primary concern, unless you seriously see yourself as one of the leading figures in a specific profession.

edited 12th Oct '12 11:16:38 AM by CaissasDeathAngel

My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.
Gunpla is amazing!
Sounds fair enough. They always made it sound like after college you should start to move toward getting a career immediately.

 634 They Call Me Tomu, Fri, 12th Oct '12 11:33:44 AM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Sureeeeendaaaa
There is a larger percentage of individuals who work 50 hours a week at a minimum wage job that DON'T pull out than DO pull out. Obviously, for those who have no choice but to take the minimum wage job or starve, the choice is clear. However, at no point should people be derided for not making that decision.

Further, I would strongly suspect the same people who are talking about their anxiety and motivation problems are the same people who would NOT be able to break out of 50 hr weeks.

edited 12th Oct '12 11:35:10 AM by TheyCallMeTomu

 635 Caissas Death Angel, Fri, 12th Oct '12 11:34:34 AM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
[up][up] That's a utopian ideal that doesn't reflect the reality of the economic times in which we live. Time was, you did get a job straight after leaving school and stayed in it for 50 years. These days, working life is much more fluid. You can chop and change, mix bits and pieces of different jobs as you wish/as you can.

"Transferrable skills" are the watchword - a job in which you learn how to use complex databases and spreadsheets for example could be useful in a job as a financial analyst, a statistician, something to do with maths, a whole load of things. Being media savvy is good in, er, media, but also in things like the law when you need to make persuasive arguments. Etc.

Any job, even basic ones, will give you something you can use elsewhere. Hell take the fast food industry, dealing with customers and the high pressure nature of the work, multi-tasking and coordinating to get things done - that's stuff you do in other jobs too, and the same skills can be applied in better ways, and it's not too hard to tailor your resume in such a way that reflects and emphasises that.

edited 12th Oct '12 11:34:43 AM by CaissasDeathAngel

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 636 They Call Me Tomu, Fri, 12th Oct '12 11:36:00 AM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Sureeeeendaaaa
For the record, I've been advised to leave my dish-washing experience off my resume, so the notion that any job has transferable skills is apparently bunk.

 637 Caissas Death Angel, Fri, 12th Oct '12 11:42:05 AM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
[up] Resumes are by nature a summary of your main skills rather than an autobiography. Inevitably, some details will be either irrelevant or even actively harmful, in which case they should be omitted in lieu of something better.

But being pedantic with my point doesn't change the fact that it is, in almost all cases, true.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.
 638 They Call Me Tomu, Fri, 12th Oct '12 11:47:55 AM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Sureeeeendaaaa
Well, part of it depends on just how much you need a job. If you're in the position where you can take the time to search for a better job without, like, starving to death, I generally encourage you to take it, as long as you're actually actively working. Yes, having a job gives you skills-but that's time that you can't devote to job searching. And if you think you're going to be able to search for a better job while in your new job, you're probably deluded.

Now, the one exception I would give is for very entry level position, or things like administrative assistant positions; those are very white collar, and offer better connections. But, if you're on your feet 9 to 10 hours a day, I doubt you're going to come home and think "Gee, now I have time to search for a better job!"

Of course, it's important to actually LOOK for a job while unemployed. Using the above logic as an excuse to remain unemployed and not actually looking for a job is just doing yourself a disservice.

 639 Caissas Death Angel, Fri, 12th Oct '12 11:52:43 AM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
You are underestimating the extent to which people get a job from another job rather than from unemployment to the point of ignorance. And to claim that doing so is deluded? No, no, no.

Fact is, somehow, people do find the time and energy to do it. It's neither easy nor fun, but, just like finding a job in the first place, it's necessary if you want to improve your situation.

edited 12th Oct '12 11:53:07 AM by CaissasDeathAngel

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 640 Barkey, Fri, 12th Oct '12 12:00:51 PM from Bunker 051
War Profiteer
I'm not asking for a dream job. Just something I can at least be competent in. Like, working at a video store, or best buy, or something electronic based.

That way I can feel like I am truly earning my paycheck.

At Burger King, I was given very few hours because I knew I just wasn't doing a good job, and not due to me slacking off or anything. I did what I was told, I just was bad at it.

So essentially, you want a job you feel you would succeed in, but you have no idea what you would succeed in.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
 641 They Call Me Tomu, Fri, 12th Oct '12 12:06:26 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Sureeeeendaaaa
Caissa: Do we have statistics one way or another?

If you have an empirical source, I'll look it over-I assume you do, considering you just accused me of ignorance.

edited 12th Oct '12 12:07:05 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

 642 Caissas Death Angel, Fri, 12th Oct '12 12:23:48 PM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
Common sense alone dictates. People change jobs all the time, and I guarantee you that 95% or more of them do not spend time inbetween having been made redundant, sacked or randomly quit. Unemployment statistics would be many times higher than they are, and would correlate far higher with total job movements, if they did.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.
 643 Barkey, Fri, 12th Oct '12 12:25:54 PM from Bunker 051
War Profiteer
People don't seem to realize that having a shit job is better than being unemployed, because unemployment insurance does not last indefinitely.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
 644 Gabrael, Fri, 12th Oct '12 12:30:51 PM from bouncy house of squishy Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
A Polar Bear Named Gabrael
If you have family or friends who are willing to financially support you while you figure your issues or wait for the "better" job, more power to you. I am being very sincere when I say I wish I could have someone bankroll me like that because it is a genuine asset. It's a lot easier to focus on getting those jobs or finishing school when you don't have to worry about rent or food.

Now, that being said, there is such a thing as waiting too long. If you don't at least try to get your foot in the door somewhere, you'll soon realize that you're missing out in comparison to others who were serving their time while you were waiting.

And by god wait constructively! Learn a new language, learn a skill, get certified in something, finish a class, do an independent project, network like hell, volunteer somewhere!

Do something to at least actively push yourself forward because I am willing to bet money I don't have that if you do get that dream interview, the boss isn't going to be impressed with gaps on your CV without any constructive reasoning.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." Bertrand Russell
 645 Caissas Death Angel, Fri, 12th Oct '12 12:43:54 PM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
Over here, many employers require references for all employment gaps - professional persons who can account for what you were doing in that time. Now, family friends are often fine, hell my brother's girlfriend gave me mine, but it needed to come from a work email address. The gap in question was just after leaving uni, with a financial services degree, in a recession (summer 2008) while in the middle of the nervous breakdown that nearly killed me.

Still had to back it up. Gaps are NOT good.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.
Gunpla is amazing!
Barkey: Exactly.

I don't think I'm good at anything.

Anything productive at least.

 647 Caissas Death Angel, Fri, 12th Oct '12 12:51:25 PM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
[up] No one starts off that way. But you can become good at things.

Ever thought of volunteering? Some places vet extensively, but plenty will just be grateful for the extra pair of hands. Old folks homes, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, etc are well worth a try.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.
Gunpla is amazing!
And what good would that do me? Beyond being a good person obviously.

And I have no idea what I could be good at. The tests I took were a waste of 40 bucks.

edited 12th Oct '12 12:53:25 PM by Thorn14

Euo will do!
[up]You'd get to try a bunch of things to see what you're good at. How's that, for starters? tongue
"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
Gunpla is amazing!
Like what? Isn't college what you learn skills in?

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