Sexism and Men's Issues

@Bluefish: well, the appallingness of her actions is obvious. I guess what I mean to say is that the "she's hot, lucky him" mindset did cross my mind, and I had to make an active effort of empathy towards the kid to feel even remotely like that woman could possibly deserve jail time, instead of a thank you on behalf of the frustrated teenage boy inside my memories, and all other frustrated teenage boys on whose behalf it wants to speak, for being one of the only among those many grown-ups that giving one of us a chance, instead of responding with condescending compassion at best and disgusted contempt at worst.

So, on an irrational level, part of me lives and breathes the double standard. Teen-me really "doesn't know what he wants", or rather, knows exactly what the object of his desire is, but doesn't know what getting it entails.

I was going to post a dramatized example from Evangelion to belabor the point, but there's so many I don't know what to choose... I guess I'll just go with Kaji demonstrating behavior that the adult in me approves of wholeheartedly.

Thank you, Kaji. You suck at explaining why Asuka's request is extremely ill-advised, leaving her feeling emotionally unwanted and unacknowledged, but your heart is definitely in the right place. Not only she, but many adults also could stand to listen to a proper explanation beyond "THIS IS TABOO!".

Actually EVA is all about taboos, isn't it?

Straying from the topic of inadvisable age difference in sexual relations but staying on the topics of both Eva and men's issues, I found this very excellent You Tube channel that deconstructs toxic masculinity to pieces. They did a great episode on The End of Evangelion , but my favorite so far is the one they did on Fight Club.

Maybe it's me but that sentence still seems light, do male child rapists normally get the same sentence?

Also please tell me that the boy was taken from his parents and they're being charged either as accessories or with child abuse?

I mean, this abuse seems to have been going on for quite some time, 10 years might be standard there but at least 15 before parole sounds more appropriate.

The amount of people in the article's comments saying "Lucky kid!" Is disgusting

More like sad.

Nah, I meant what I said.

I know. I simply beg to differ.

Fair enough

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/the-male-pill-is-coming---and-its-going-to-change-everything/

May I have some thoughts on the issues, as well as some pointers on where to study further?

Apologies if this topic has been thoroughly discussed in previous pages, I'd greatly appreciate being pointed to such relevant discussions.

Bit concerned that it will result in more sexually transmitted diseases.

Do you think it'd make people less likely to use condoms?

More likely yes, but for married or couples in stable relationships this will be a blessing.

And for single men this:

Less "you are not the father" and more "there is no baby", which, let's be honest, is the preferable outcome in that situation.

edited 23rd Jan '17 7:18:36 AM by NativeJovian

I don't think it will have much of an impact on STD transmission. The condom is still in use despite the existence of many other contraception methods, because it's the only one that also protects against ST Ds (and there's no way this would be advertised as a replacement for condoms). The questions I have are on the practical side: will there be a minimal age to get an injection (obviously, puberty should be a prerequisite)?, how long should a man wait between the initial injection and the one to reverse the effect?

My understanding of your questions led me to believe you asserts that the contraceptives is or should be injected as a general rule. Can you elaborate if such is your intention?

Legally and practically speaking, I'd assume Age of Consent as the minimal age to undergoes the procedure. For obvious reason, I assumes the researches on effects of the procedure chiefly concerns adult males, well after puberty. That said, sexually active males most at risk of unplanned births are adolescent and teens, so there might be a problem there.

I don't understand the second question. Are you asking in practical, scientific terms, or..?

Probably similar to how long women have to wait to be capable of becoming pregnant after ceasing to take the pill.

^^Not really. AOC is a standard of social acceptability. People will have intercourse irrespective of it, in many times because it's de jure ("closed in age" exemption, such as in Switzerland) or de facto (many states in the US such as California) tolerated. The availability of such things reflects the actual behaviours of people because that is what counts.

One of the explanations for why a grown woman might want to pursue a "relationship" with a teenaged boy, beyond simple pedophilia, is that in such relationships the grown-up is generally entirely in control. If you have a damaged adult, or one with serious issues regarding relationships and intimacy, the prospect of a relationship that she is in complete control of might seem attractive. I would suspect this is also the case with a lot of grown men who pursue relationships with young teenagers as well.

The double-standard is very sad. It stems, I'm sure, from the notion that boys are always horny, and any sex (with a woman) for them is always good and healthy. The fact that the boy can't get pregnant I'm sure contributes to the idea that a relationship with a much older woman can't do them any harm.

Oh hey didn't know this thread existed.

Thought this would have been locked.

Why?

Discussing men in relation to sexism is a topic that can very, very go south for a variety of reasons, namely that there are a lot of groups with some, uh, differing perspectives on the matter.

Also these fora lean left and a lot of people on the far left will outright deny the existance of men's issues.

Personally I see the segregation between the genders as pointless but I feel comforted that there is a space here to talk about things that concern my gender.

Men and women's issues isn't a right and left wing issue though. It fits a social progressive vs social conservative or social reactionary spectrum.

All of which can be adopted by left and right wing groups and parties.

I said far-left. I didn't say women.

Men can hate men to.

The far left?

You're afraid that a bunch of people who has absolutely no political power whatsoever may or may not hate men?

Yeah okay.