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526 TamH704th Oct 2012 08:03:08 PM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
Yeah it counts. What matters is how secure the algorithm is, how many bits and all that stuff, and how long it would take the NSA to crack using Echelon to gather examples of it being used and then sticking the examples on one of their Crays?

In another note, two or so more weeks and then my new box can get built up.
527 TamH706th Oct 2012 08:34:23 AM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
Double post. Sorry. Have some news about Nvidia's attitude to its board partners.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2012/10/05/nvidia-crippling-partners/1

Want an overclockable new-gen Nvidia graphics card? Fuck you. You ain't getting one.

528 Nohbody6th Oct 2012 10:05:50 AM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Maybe it's just I'm feeling more cynical than usual, but I'm suspicious about the claims of this "unnamed source", and I'm not buying into the "evil nVidia" schtick.

Not wanting to be blamed for cards getting zorched by overvoltage doesn't sound all that unreasonable to me. While they aren't limited solely to video chips any more, it's still nVidia's "bread and butter".
529 Balmung6th Oct 2012 11:43:03 AM from Omaha, Nebraska , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
TsunderAI
Eh, I prefer AMD cards anyhow. I've just generally had better luck with them whenever I've used them.
530 TamH707th Oct 2012 08:49:18 AM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
Same here. Wouldn't mind another HD 6870 to run in crossfire.

Also, more background on the Nvidia partner board throttling issue:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/10/3/nvidias-green-light-program--improving-quality-or-strangling-innovation.aspx

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-gpu-evga-green-light-approval,news-40362.html

Short extract from the first article:

"So, the Green Light program is a program that we believe hurts AI Bs and consumers while enabling Nvidia to reduce their RMA rate and improve their margins. If you are an Nvidia investor, this is great news, but if you are a consumer, this is clearly bad news. Nvidia claims that this has to do with the quality of the product and smoothness of launches, however, we believe that in the end it's all about money."

Seems like if you need a faster card to play something like Crysis (why bother, says I?), and want to overclock the one you have, fuck you, spend some more money on a newer card, you peasant.

Quick edit to add this little titbit reference the Cult of the Orchard:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/10/5/labor-strife-on-foxconne28099s-iphone5-assembly-lines.aspx

edited 7th Oct '12 9:10:40 AM by TamH70

531 Balmung7th Oct 2012 10:14:38 AM from Omaha, Nebraska , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
TsunderAI
I was also never any good with voltmods. I usually just pushed the GPU as far as it would go with the stock voltage (got some pretty nice gains out of an X800 XL 512 like that). Still, dick move, nVidia, dick move.

As for the Apple news, I am completely unsurprised.

edited 7th Oct '12 10:15:06 AM by Balmung

532 RocketDude7th Oct 2012 08:20:24 PM from AZ, United States
Face Time
I guess the whole thing depends on the general reliability of Nvidia cards. If Nvidia wants to ensure that the cards sold are reliable, that's fine, but the customization should still be in there.

In any case, I'm glad that my desktop, which runs an EVGA GTX 560 Ti, was bought a few months ago before this hit.

edited 7th Oct '12 8:21:38 PM by RocketDude

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533 Shaggy7th Oct 2012 08:55:38 PM from Purgatory, ME
Kitty!
For my new GPU, I think I'm going to get a GTX 660. Suggestions? I currently have a 6790.
If anyone in the thread wants to kidnap me, I don't mind. We'd just be in their van drinking Mountain Dew and watching MLP for days on end
534 TamH707th Oct 2012 09:19:27 PM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
[up]I would suggest not piling straight in and buying a 660 right this second. It is only just released into retail after all.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/09/13/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-2gb-review/1

I would wait a wee bit longer and read a lot more reviews before plumping to jump in on any new card. I took my own advice before I bought my HD 6870, and I have never been happier with a card.

The card specs look good but it is Nvidia, so I have no idea how it would actually work. I haven't run Nvidia cards for years, so their drivers and such are completely unknown concepts to me.
535 Morven8th Oct 2012 11:44:44 AM from Seattle, WA, USA
Nemesis
So Apple's wrong for having exacting quality standards, then? Exactly how?

Note that they do not tell Foxconn how to achieve them, nor do they want to. If Foxconn is being an asshole to its employees, that's unsurprising, but guess what? They make everyone else's stuff too.
A brighter future for a darker age.
536 Shaggy8th Oct 2012 02:19:55 PM from Purgatory, ME
Kitty!
Apple is wrong for a lot of things, that included.

And no, Foxconn does not make everyone else's stuff.
If anyone in the thread wants to kidnap me, I don't mind. We'd just be in their van drinking Mountain Dew and watching MLP for days on end
537 TamH709th Oct 2012 04:06:56 AM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
More on Google's problems with the EU over privacy.

http://www.zdnet.com/google-breached-eu-law-by-merging-privacy-policies-report-7000005408/

and the Guardian.co.uk article the zdnet one refers to:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/08/google-privacy-policy-data-protection

Looks like Mountain View's branch of Skull Mountain are in deep doo doo.
538 Deboss9th Oct 2012 07:14:47 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
So, I'm looking at a new graphics card for my desk top. Has to be better than an nVidia 7600. Preferably something in the fifty dollar range, but I've got about a 25-40% swing rate if there's something better.
539 Balmung9th Oct 2012 07:23:39 PM from Omaha, Nebraska , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
TsunderAI
Well, a GeForce GT 520 or Radeon HD 6670 should offer unambiguously better performance in the price range. If you wanna splurge a bit, someone or other is selling the HD 6750 for $80 (though it's a downrated model with GDDR 3 RAM instead of GDDR 5).

edited 9th Oct '12 7:25:06 PM by Balmung

540 Shaggy9th Oct 2012 07:52:22 PM from Purgatory, ME
Kitty!
Get a 7770 if you want to spring for the money. the 7770 is the best card for the money currently. If not, a 6770/7750 is in that price range you specified, and they're the most powerful in your listed price.

Citation

Also, getting a used card might stretch your dollar.

edited 9th Oct '12 7:59:52 PM by Shaggy

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541 Balmung9th Oct 2012 08:16:08 PM from Omaha, Nebraska , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
TsunderAI
I think $120 might be out of Deboss's price range.
542 Shaggy9th Oct 2012 08:20:26 PM from Purgatory, ME
Kitty!
I can do basic math, and I knew that.

I was suggesting it in the event that it was possible to get it.

And like I said, used. You can pick one up for <=$100.
If anyone in the thread wants to kidnap me, I don't mind. We'd just be in their van drinking Mountain Dew and watching MLP for days on end
543 Balmung9th Oct 2012 08:22:10 PM from Omaha, Nebraska , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
TsunderAI
Other things: I WISH I could upgrade, but I'm on a laptop and I've already maxed out the RAM slots.
544 pvtnum119th Oct 2012 08:52:08 PM from Kerbin low orbit , Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
Cursed Asus made their laptop PCI-m slots with a proprietary pinout, so standard laptop PCI cards will not work with the motherboard. So even if I wanted to, I can't upgrade my video card. RAM? Motherboard limited to 2GB per slot, which is what it already has. I could possibly upgrade to faster RAM, but eh. I did take advantage of Readyboost, courtesy of a 2GB microSD card crammed into an adapter. It helped a bit.
Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
545 Balmung9th Oct 2012 09:16:02 PM from Omaha, Nebraska , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
TsunderAI
I don't think mine even has a PCI-M slot.

I've got 4 GB per slot, though for a total of 8 GB.
546 pvtnum1110th Oct 2012 10:56:16 AM from Kerbin low orbit , Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
Isn't there a special external PCI adapter that plugs into the PC-card slot via a cable? We have one of those for our Dell XPS 17 at Church, although I don't know what the actual card it in there - some video card, so we can convert our camera signal for streaming. The stock graphics weren't up to the task.

So if you have a card slot, you might be able to use an external card - probably not a very ideal solution, though.

These guys here did that, and posted up their results.

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5846&review=how+to+upgrade+laptop+graphics+notebook
Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
547 Balmung10th Oct 2012 03:09:18 PM from Omaha, Nebraska , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
TsunderAI
Problem is, I've got one of those funny L-shaped Expresscard slots.
548 pvtnum1111th Oct 2012 01:36:58 AM from Kerbin low orbit , Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
Oh.

Well, I'm attempting to run a Live USB stick (1gb) with Puppy Linux, so that I can revamp my wife's old Dell Studio 17. ...it should allow me to boot from a Live USB stick - the CD-ROM drive is broken mechanically, and it's one of those goofy auto-insert/eject units that are a complete pain in the butt to remove.

But first, lets see if it'll boot off of this machine... Back in a minute.
Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
549 Balmung11th Oct 2012 08:39:50 AM from Omaha, Nebraska , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
550 pvtnum1111th Oct 2012 11:13:11 AM from Kerbin low orbit , Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
Needs to fit and boot off of a 1gb stick. And, I guess it didn't work - booted my regular machine with the stick, and it just sat there with the blinky cursor for a long while.

I had Backtrack 4 on a 16GB stick at one time, but I think I reformatted it and can't even find that stick at the moment.

The plan is: Run the install to my secondary hard drive on my machine, then rip that drive out and install it into my ghetto machine. Should fire right up, but I first have to get it to boot and install.

Maybe I'll scrounge for a DVD and burn an Ubuntu install disc.
Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.

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