Sexism

@ Green-mantle: All exactly alike, the uniform was uniform

It still amazes me they can be any thing but that.

About the most variation you would get is some of the girls would hike there skirt.

@ Le Garcon, a uniform was honestly no big deal, trust me. It was just the clothes you wore to school, that was all.

Sucks about the unfair enforcement of the dress code at your school, though

I liked my cheap Vans, raggy vodka shirt, stolen hoodie, and stained jeans though.

It's comfy.

Some of you may find this interesting.

This is tangentially related but it's still something worth pointing out. Whenever I hear statistics about how women outnumber men at college it always surprises me because that isn't my experience at all. Of course then I remember I'm an engineering major. I don't think I've had a single engineering class with more than 10 women. For some classes with 40 people that's not too bad but then I've had others with 100+ people. I thought this was getting better but evidently not.

Whenever you hear statistics you should think about where they come from, and any reasons they might be like that other than what's presented, especially if the statistics are brought up to further an agenda.

In this case, what majors have what proportions is fairly important. And yeah, in engineering there's a majority of men. Same thing for me. Most of my classmates were male in high school (science program was divided between natural sciences and technical sciences, where the latter had three women total and the former was much more equal), and college engineering and programming courses.

On the other hand, one shouldn't try to find a reason specifically to refute the reason the statistics are brought up either. In this case, finding out where the men and women are prone to study doesn't necessarily mean the original disparity doesn't exist or isn't important.

I, for example, was an English major, and my classes, outside of the gen-ed writing and literature requirements, were overwhelmingly female. Interestingly (or perhaps not) the professors were a pretty much even split between male and female.

I remember a year or two ago the National Geographic published a US population density-according-to-gender study, and it found that the east coast, particularly between Washington DC and New York, was overwhelmingly female, while the southwest was largely male. It theorized that the reason for this was the boom in construction jobs in the SW, and the preponderance of office/ administrative work in the NE.

I wasn't trying to refute the idea that women are graduating from college at higher rates than men. I was simply pointing out how this might not be readily apparent to some people. Of course the fact that it's not readily apparent is a problem by itself. I'm not really sure how to fix that though.

edited 29th Aug '15 3:10:00 PM by Kostya

My junior Computer Science class had the record breaking number of 7 females out of 40 students, which was reduced to 4 females and less than 27 students.

But I should add that the ones who did stay are among the best in the class because they wanted to be there, along a good chunk of the guys who got in because they had no of what they wanted to do.

I feel like I should create a Tinder account but I don't have the time nor the money to either date and hookup.

edited 29th Aug '15 4:34:02 PM by AngelusNox

I took French and Japanese at uni, and those classes were almost entirely female. But that same uni actually had a student-run program to encourage female students to take engineering or other such classes because the numbers were so low.

I have no clue if my university has that kind of program. I have noticed that while it wasn't equal the ratio of men to women was a lot more even in the introductory math and physics classes I took. When I got into the actual engineering classes it dropped by a lot.

It was a pretty good program, I think. They held events and stuff to raise money and interest, and I think they even went to high schools in the area to talk to high schoolers who might be interested in joining those fields

I'm curious as to what some of you think on the topic of female sexism, as in discrimination against males.

I believe it absolutely exists, and it's often sadly overlooked

You mean like the bias against single fathers, male teachers and nurses and virtually anything involving men and children?

Sure it is there.

But I don't think that's women being sexist against men.

Most of the sexism related issues men face are all due to our own problems with toxic masculinity.

it depends on what you mean by "sexist", but yes there is a stigma regarding men and children that even extends to other men judging them.

double standards are more or less par for the course in any discussion of sexism no matter what gender you're talking about.

edited 29th Aug '15 11:55:35 PM by wehrmacht

......I completely beg to differ. There's absolutely nothing wrong with masculinity.

Man-on-woman sexism doesn't occur because of womens' toxic femininity, nor does woman-on-man sexism occur because because of mens' toxic masculinity.

Masculinity and femininity are both completely fine things.

edited 30th Aug '15 12:15:05 AM by Jenaiqueserasera

There's masculinity and then there's toxic masculinity. There's a big difference.

Quite bluntly this is very much a man's world. We own it and most if not all of the power structures in it are made to cater to us.

Toxic masculinity is one of the many ways that this position has harmed us.

Just because men have been more successful doesn't mean there's toxic masculinity because of it, I don't think.

-This is coming from a woman.-

Well I'm a guy who has had to deal with toxic masculinity I can assure you it exists and it stems from the fact that we pretty much run society.

Honestly the only way I got around is because puberty was kind enough to turn me into a burly looking man with scary hair and a beard who has a very authoritative voice.

to be more specific, broadly speaking it is a men's world, but along with that there also a lot of stereotypes and harmful ideas about how men should act and conduct themselves. men who do not fit into this paradigm are often shunned by other men either very explicitly or in more subtle ways, and sometimes even by women too. this leaves them depressed, lonely, and with a poor self-image because they are not living up to the arbitrary standards of what being a man entails.

basically, it's much often easier to be a man in our society, but it's "man" in quotation marks, because it caters to a specific and very bad idea of what a man should be, which often creates problems for men themselves. they are told they can't have feelings or express them, they're told that they can't like certain colors or behave in certain ways, they're told that they have to reaffirm their status as men constantly.

edited 30th Aug '15 12:28:07 AM by wehrmacht

Could you give me an example of what you think is 'toxic' masculinity?

Pretty much the entire spectrum of "real man" traits qualify, so the idea that you must always be out for sex, always eager, not develop friendships with women, be strong and tough, get in fights, all of "boys will be boys" culture, bottle up your emotions to not show 'weakness' and more.

Toxic femininity is also a thing, when you have women refusing to help with something because "that's a man's job" that's pretty strait up toxic femininity.

As for women being sexist to men, it happens. You don't see as much of it due to women not as commonly being in positions of power, so sexism against men tends to come from "real man" culture, but it happens. When it does happen it tends to come from what I'd call the "real women" group, who are pretty much just the female version of the "real men" lot, a bunch of asshats who benefit from the current system and want to punish anyone who dares to deviate from their assigned gender role.

Now with the internet you also get the hatehats, bigots who pretend to be about justice but instead simply want to hurt people based on their gender/race/religion, they rarely exist outside of the Internet (but have been spotted) and honestly they can be found in pretty much every gender/race/religion and against every gender/race/religion.

Alpha/beta drama, real boys don't cry/wear pink, you arent a man unless you fuck as many women as possible, real men never go to the doctor, anything "weak" is feminine and if you like or are perceived to be or enjoy anything traditionally feminine you are weak, being pussy-whipped, putting the pussy on the pedestal, having a man card, etc.