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Misused: The Same But More get usage counts

 1 Septimus Heap, Tue, 5th Jun '12 9:18:17 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
So, The Same but More is a Predefined Message about not splitting tropes between Trope X and Trope Xtreme. But it has significant wicks from work pages, and from a check of the upper 50 wicks it seems to be largely used literally rather than as the guideline.

My thought here was to move the page to Administrivia.The Same But More and disambiguate or redirect the current one to something else.

Obligatory wick check

Literal misuse

Other misuse

Correct

Uncounted

Unclear

 2 Septimus Heap, Thu, 7th Jun '12 10:17:00 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Bumping. Any ideas here?

I guess that does look like a problem, doesn't it?

I don't think there's much we can do outside of deleting those bad ones, though. Maybe move it to Administrivia, I guess.

edited 7th Jun '12 2:37:10 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 4 Septimus Heap, Sun, 10th Jun '12 12:56:37 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
The other thing I thought of was merging The Same but More and The Same but More Specific under a name like Insuffienctly Distinct Trope (as these stock phrases aren't at all that clear - are they tropes, administrative guidelines, Stock Phrases or even a synonym for Sub-Trope?).

 5 Xtifr, Tue, 12th Jun '12 5:55:24 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
I suggest killing the bad wicks. That alone might be enough to make the problem go away (as it will remove the monkey-see-monkey-do temptation). If they start reappearing, then it might be time for more drastic action.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
^^ We already have Ridiculously Similar Trope. The Same but More and The Same but More Specific are variants of that.

 7 Spark 9, Thu, 5th Jul '12 7:22:48 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I think this should be in administrativia; it's a meta-page, not a trope. That people are potholing to it is a problem.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 8 Septimus Heap, Tue, 24th Jul '12 9:45:32 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Bumping because there is a crowner here

So, this would force people to type Admnistrivia/ before linking to these predefined messages. Sounds brilliant. Way too many people just throw those into YKTTW's and threads without actually bothering to read or understand them. At least this'll make them do some extra typing.

Um, no, we're not cutting any redirects here anytime soon.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 11 Septimus Heap, Tue, 31st Jul '12 2:12:53 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Votes bump.

 12 ccoa, Mon, 13th Aug '12 7:06:00 AM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Calling crowner: Move to administrivia and clean the wicks.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Did I miss the part where we voted to cut the redirects? What was that about?

edited 24th Nov '12 1:00:36 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 14 Septimus Heap, Sat, 24th Nov '12 1:09:42 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
That part was decided by someone because all their wicks were misuse.

That's because the Related function only counts wicks in the wiki. Predefined Messages are meant for discussion; any links on the wiki are likely to be incorrect. It was being used correctly in discussions.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Dragon Writer
Wiki pages dealing with wikicentric topics are free to link to each other as long as it's relevant to the context it's mentioned in. Beyond that, yes, they shuldn't be linked as if they were tropes.

edited 24th Nov '12 3:52:22 PM by Stratadrake

 17 Septimus Heap, Mon, 26th Nov '12 7:34:55 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Finished The Same but More. Didn't start the others, mostly due to them having more wicks for not much time. A few questions:

 18 Madrugada, Mon, 26th Nov '12 8:30:14 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Search-Generated Index is a Wiki Trope
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Dragon Writer
A Wiki Trope and Administrivia both fall under the same genre: Topics pertaining to the culture on this wiki.
 20 Septimus Heap, Mon, 26th Nov '12 10:55:07 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
So it stays on /Main/, methinks.

Any replies to the other questions?

 21 Madrugada, Mon, 26th Nov '12 11:41:11 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
However, Search Generated Indexes are not unique to this wiki. And Wiki Tropes should include those that are not unique to this wiki.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
In uffish thought
Indeed. A Vitalising Edit, or however you spell it, can happen on any wiki.

To all the pages in the first bullet of 17: Why would any of those go in Administrivia/? None are policy or the like; they're tropes/wiki tropes.
 23 Septimus Heap, Mon, 26th Nov '12 1:10:02 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
The word you are searching for is Vitalizing Edit, and I was pointing out 17.1 as things that ought to stay in Main/.

The Search-Generated Index question was more about the fact that as-is the page only speaks about us, and is written like a policy page.

edited 26th Nov '12 1:15:58 PM by SeptimusHeap

 24 Septimus Heap, Sat, 1st Dec '12 5:27:18 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Got ahead a bit in the work, but now I am not sure if Trope-Namer Syndrome should really be in Administrivia/. Opinions?

 25 lu 127, Sat, 1st Dec '12 5:30:07 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Do you need a TRS thread now that you've dealt with The Same but More? You could try a general administrivia sorting in Special efforts.
小さく揺れた向日葵

Page Action: The Same But More
24th Jul '12 5:09:39 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
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