Not Thriving: The Pete Best

This page contains two different tropes.

The name, and several of the examples, are about somebody on a team (or band) being replaced by somebody else, before the team became famous. As a result, most people wouldn't have heard of the guy who was replaced. This is in-universe, and is a plot trope.

The description, and several other of the examples, are about an actor for a character being replaced by a different actor, while the character remains where it was. This is out-of-universe, and is either a production trope, or trivia.

This is clearly not the same thing. I think we should split the page. There's also some misuse for merely "somebody who left a group" (which leaves out the "and they became famous after" part), but that should be easy to clean up.

Is the (second) actor thing redundant to The Other Darrin or The Other Marty? Thought this was just about "left the team before it got famous".

Does seem like some examples should be on The Other Marty.

But I don't know if I agree with splitting. I see what you're saying about the in-universe examples being a trope, and the others being trivia, but they're still basically the same thing.

Eh, I'm pretty sure it's just "left before they got famous" and someone got sloppy enough during the writeup for you to get confused.

Anything to do here?

Which examples specifically do you think are a problem?

Isn't anyone concerned about the name?!

edited 9th Jun '12 2:22:47 AM by peccantis

Yes. I though would simply split between the two forms described in the OP (and merge one of them if they are redundant to another page) and disambiguate The Pete Best.

There is no need for that. The "second type" described in the OP is a different trope. This is only "left the group before it got famous".

The "second type" the OP is talking about would actually still be The Pete Best. Whereas The Other Darrin and The Other Marty are about different actors replacing others in the same role, acting examples in The Pete Best with an actor/character leaving a work involve a new actor playing a completely different character, who then becomes more synonymous with a show

To put it another way, Jon Stewart ain't ever gonna be called Craig Kilborn's Other Darrin or Other Marty when any of us ever talk about The Daily Show.

Moreover, why are we saying this article isn't thriving? 232 wicks and 44 inbounds in the past year, I'd say, is pretty damn fair for a trope page. Not everything will or can have wicks and inbounds numbering in the thousands, and with the figures this page is sporting already, there's no point in making a big deal out of any of them either way.

edited 10th Jun '12 7:21:31 AM by SeanMurrayI

"The description, and several other of the examples, are about an actor for a character being replaced by a different actor, while the character remains where it was."

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