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Duplicate Trope: Full Set Bonus and: Set Bonus get usage counts

I would be fine with something like Set Synergy or Same Set Synergy.

This shouldn't be two questions (merge? name?) at once. Is there a way to fix that?
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
 28 Septimus Heap, Fri, 13th Jul '12 12:51:31 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
[up]I don't think so.

Upvoted the merge under Set Bonus name, since this seems to be an existing term according to a scan of Google results.

 29 ccoa, Thu, 30th Aug '12 9:19:32 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Bumping for votes.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 30 Clarste, Thu, 30th Aug '12 9:30:14 AM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
Set Bonus is an established gaming term. Changing it to something like "synergy" would make it more confusing to people who know what it is. Same Set Bonus might be okay though.

 31 lu 127, Tue, 2nd Oct '12 11:55:18 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Calling crowner in favour of merging the articles under Set Bonus.
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Merging these tropes is trickier than it sounds. The description for Set Bonus is written in terms of game mechanics, whereas that for Full Set Bonus is written in terms of Magic and Powers.

Dragon Writer
Hmm ... it's not necessarily gameplay exclusive. If we're merging, I don't have anything against non-videogame examples. (My only gripe is I prefer the name "Full Set Bonus".)
 34 Septimus Heap, Thu, 20th Dec '12 6:04:19 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Bump. Can we use Full Set Bonus's description here for the merge?

Dragon Writer
... I don't particularly like either description....
 36 lu 127, Fri, 1st Feb '13 3:10:04 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Nothing? 'kay, clocking to get things done or leave as is.
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 37 Ironeye, Fri, 1st Feb '13 4:07:48 AM from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
Neither description really gets across what the merged trope is about, in part because of the subtle differences between the two (currently split) ideas. What was under Set Bonus is There are N items in a collection. Having M of them (M between 2 and N, with possibly multiple relevant Ms) together grants a greater benefit than the M individual items separately. What was under Full Set Bonus is One person using all of the magical doodads is more badass than would be expected from the individual power levels of those doodads.

The new meaning would be something along the lines of There are some items (which may or may not be related to each other) that, when used together (but not necessarily all together) by the same person (who may or may not normally use them all to begin with) grant a greater benefit than the sum of the benefits from the items (which may or may not be nigh-useless on their own). It seems a little overly-lumped to me, but then again, I'm one of the people who thought that some description tweaks to clarify the difference (and possibly a rename to Full Set Bonus) would have been enough.

edited 4th Feb '13 3:10:52 AM by Ironeye

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[up]That does seem a bit over-lumped...sure the plasma pistol + battle rifle combo in Halo is better than either weapon by themselves, but I wouldn't call it a set bonus.

 39 Septimus Heap, Mon, 4th Feb '13 2:12:38 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
The whole is more than the sum of the parts.

Sometimes, several items put together deliver more than if you just numerically added up the power of all the items. It can apply both to powers and objects.

Does this make a good start for a description.

I dunno. It needs to be clear that this is about explicitly granting additional abilities, not just your everyday synergy.

edited 4th Feb '13 11:32:18 AM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 41 Septimus Heap, Mon, 4th Feb '13 2:16:27 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
The whole is more than the sum of the parts.

Sometimes, several items put together deliver additional abilites more than if you just numerically or synergistically added up the power of all the items. It can apply both to powers and objects.

Better now?

edited 4th Feb '13 2:59:12 PM by SeptimusHeap

 42 Troacctid, Mon, 4th Feb '13 2:51:12 PM from California
Sure, I guess. Although I don't think "synergically" is a word.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 43 Septimus Heap, Tue, 5th Feb '13 6:41:43 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Anyone else?

 44 Septimus Heap, Fri, 8th Feb '13 5:47:40 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Well, since nobody cared to reply, I executed the merge and rewrote the description.

Dragon Writer
It needs to be clear that this is about explicitly granting additional abilities, not just your everyday synergy.

Is this all that important? I know there are certainly videogame examples where the only matching-set bonus for certain items is the synergestic statistical buffs....
 46 Septimus Heap, Fri, 8th Feb '13 10:46:25 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Yeah, now I have doubts as well. I think that anything governed under this trope can be called "synergy" by definition.

 47 Troacctid, Fri, 8th Feb '13 1:57:29 PM from California
[up][up] Those aren't examples of this trope. There has to be an additional effect that isn't part of any of the individual pieces.

Like in Team Fortress 2, the flare gun is a combo with the flamethrower because it deals extra damage to enemies who are on fire. That's synergy. Both of them together are better than either of them alone. But the Degreaser and the Powerjack have a Set Bonus because equipping them both at the same time increases your run speed by 10%.

edited 8th Feb '13 1:58:14 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Dragon Writer
Okay, so the distinction is with Combos.

What I meant by my last post is that sometimes if you equip multiple items from a matching set you don't alwys suddenly get new abilities (skills) but you just get additional bonuses on top of the individual strengths.

edited 8th Feb '13 3:54:06 PM by Stratadrake

 49 Troacctid, Fri, 8th Feb '13 5:07:08 PM from California
+1 attack is an additional ability. It's just a boring one. smile

edited 8th Feb '13 5:07:17 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 50 Ironeye, Sat, 9th Feb '13 11:34:10 PM from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
That's a really broad definition of ability that I don't think is used in most games. That'd usually be considered a stat bonus, while a new ability would be something like:

Hand of Frost (Melee): Deal 5 cold damage to one target.

edited 9th Feb '13 11:38:28 PM by Ironeye

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12th Jul '12 2:20:41 PM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
Set Bonus has a strong overlap with Full Set Bonus: both are about how carrying multiple items of a same set gives you a power that carrying one item does not.
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