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This is my first time using Trope Repair Shop, so I apologize if there's anything I don't do the right way.

There was a YKTTW called Fridge Sorrow that was recently launched. Somehow, it got five hats, and I have no idea how. As you'll see in the YKTTW discussion, no consensus was really reached as to how the page should work, and it doesn't really fit in with the other Fridge pages.

First off, is this page even needed?

If we do decide to keep the page:
  • Needs a better description, as this really needs to be defined more clearly. As mentioned in the YKTTW discussion, it should explain how this is different from Fridge Horror and Harsher in Hindsight. Maybe talk about some situations where this occurs. I don't have any ideas for this - anyone else want to step up to the plate?
  • Examples. Most of the other Fridge pages only link to subpages. Right now, the page doesn't have that many examples to begin with - 11 examples from 4 works, but they're pretty long. What is the best way of dealing with these?

[up] I think this is needed, mostly because after seeing or reading things I have faced this. But the feeling I see isn't really horror and it isn't really a thought of, that's brilliant.

What I think needs to happen is the examples need to be scrapped and the page turned into a defining page with links, like the other fridge pages. Then on the fridge pages for individual works we can add a new setion reading FRIDGE SORROW and have people fill it in themselves with their own examples.
 
 3 Eddie At The Gov, Wed, 16th May '12 5:53:36 AM from At the Governance
I'm Eddie. At the Gov.
[up]This.
Spelin erurs hount me.
We really don't need more Fridges. This is just terrible and serves no purpose.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Also, the current examples are all bad.

Right now, the trope reads "many plot points sound like they can be sad, but they can be portrayed to be either sad, funny, inconsequential or merely in service to something else altogether. Yet if you ignore the portrayal and just consider the original concept, these plots are, in fact, sad."

edited 16th May '12 7:08:42 AM by Routerie

 6 lu 127, Wed, 16th May '12 11:04:00 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Please, no more fridge snowclones. We don't need this.
迷子の足音消えた 代わりに祈りの唄
What makes the fridges we already have valid but not this? Because I know I have felt this way.
 
The fridge pages are not for feelings you experience a while after watching. It's for conclusions that aren't immediately apparent. If you discover a pothole, that's Fridge Logic. If you discover a something else, that's Fridge Brilliance. Fridge Horror shouldn't exist, but it's for when a show doesn't state its plot's unpleasant implications.

Can you think of any example of Fridge Sorrow, on the page now or not, that deserves a mention anywhere? But has no place for it?

Satan and his staff
It's been done as Depression Fuel, since deleted.

edited 16th May '12 11:05:58 PM by Korodzik

Looks like 2 for, 4 against keeping it so far? Any other opinions? Should I just make a crowner about whether to cut it or not?

^^^^ "This other thing is also bad" is not a point in favor of the first thing. It is possible there is something tropeworthy there, but it certainly shouldn't be named that.

edited 19th May '12 9:32:00 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
 12 Guesss Who, Thu, 28th Jun '12 7:42:02 PM from Far Realms of Insanity
Madwoman Apparent
It's useful, but the original creator doesn't seem to have undersood how to make a page. It also overlaps a lot with Fridge Horror, we'll have to figure out which examples work better where.

 13 ccoa, Fri, 10th Aug '12 8:21:01 AM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Clocking due to lack of activity.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
I may as well make a crowner about whether or not to cut Fridge Sorrow, but I can't seem to find how to make one. Can someone help me out?

 15 ccoa, Tue, 14th Aug '12 7:25:06 AM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
I made and hooked the crowner for you. For future reference, see How Crowners Work.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 16 Septimus Heap, Tue, 14th Aug '12 8:25:55 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
A bit late, but (to lu127): Snowclones and Everything's Worse with Snowclones are only important to trope names. For tropes, you want Sister Trope and Ridiculously Similar Trope.

Is this in any way related to Fridge Logic?

^^ Thanks! I was looking for a page like that but couldn't seem to find it.

^ Yeah, it appears to operate on the same idea: when you think about a show/whatever after the fact, you realize that something about it is actually really sad and depressing.

I feel this page either needs to be deleted and redone or completely re-written.
 
 19 lu 127, Mon, 10th Sep '12 4:03:44 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Crowner called.
迷子の足音消えた 代わりに祈りの唄
The system doesn't know you right now, so no post button for you.
You need to Get Known to get one of those.

Single Proposition: Fridge Sorrow
14th Aug '12 7:24:12 AM
Vote up for yes, down for no.
At issue:
This page is roughly equivalent to Depression Fuel, which we cut.
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