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Ambiguous Name: Scully Syndrome get usage counts

Darkness and Disgrace
A trope named for a character with the the word "Syndrome" stapled to it. The description is also pretty terrible, since it makes it sound like you have simply a character who spouts crazy theories, rather apparently a skeptic who holds on to the idea of things being "normal" when all evidence in front of them points to the contrary.

For the name, might I suggest Chronic Skepticism? That seems to illustrate the idea pretty well.
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Ecce Homo Superior
The name is terrible. Quite apart from the problems you mentioned, it is darn easy to confuse with Agent Scully.
(it's David Bowie)
 3 peccantis, Wed, 9th May '12 12:52:41 PM Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
the flies will find you
[up] And here I though I knew who the title referred to! Bad, bad, bad title.

edited 9th May '12 12:53:00 PM by peccantis

before the darkness arrives
We still have Agent Scully and Agent Mulder. The description as said isn't very good. What's an actually good definition?

Is there misuse of this trope? Please provide a wick check.

edited 9th May '12 1:00:19 PM by Feather7603

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.
Darkness and Disgrace
33 wicks, with only 35 inbounds. Pretty unhealthy, to be honest.
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Terrible name. Terrible description. Terrible image, terrible caption.

 7 Spark 9, Thu, 10th May '12 1:12:59 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Yeah, I agree. Not thriving, bad name, bad pictue, and to boot it's a real-world term that means something completely different.

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This is a terrible thread.
The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.
It seems to be a minor variation on a flat-earth atheist. Maybe a merge is in order.
 
Darkness and Disgrace
Maybe we should just cut it? The trope here really isn't all that different from Agent Scully and Flat Earth Atheist.
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Agree with the two above posts.
(it's David Bowie)
 12 Spark 9, Fri, 11th May '12 4:22:22 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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[up][up] Yeah, I agree.
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 13 Circeus, Fri, 11th May '12 4:55:02 PM from Montreal, Canada
a quiet one
Flat Earth Atheist clearly implies gods of some sort as the basis of the trope ("what about a world that's practically the playground of the mythic forces that created it?"). This is very different from this, which is a form of Exaggerated Agent Scully.

Plus Agent Scully is more of a character archetype, but Scully Syndrome is usually a Ball that causes the character to invoke increasingly unlikely explanations behind a clearly supernatural phenomenon (if it's the character's usual approach, that's just Agent Scully Up to Eleven).

That is, Agent Scully does NOT necessarily suffer from Scully Syndrome. I'm not familiar with the series, but I get the feeling Scully hardly ever falls in Epileptic Trees territory, and thus is not much of a namesake (though she might from time to time provide examples).

Confusion has arisen, but I believe the separation is still warranted.

edited 11th May '12 5:05:10 PM by Circeus

There are no inconsistencies in the Discworld books; occasionally, however, there are alternate pasts. —Terry Pratchett
Scully Syndrome is totally The Same but More of Agent Scully and Flat Earth Atheist; seems like every aspect of that "trope" is covered. Vote cut.

edited 12th May '12 11:16:19 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Yeah, it's covered already in those tropes, plus in Arbitrary Skepticism.

If it absolutely had to be kept, you could rename it to Denial Ball, Absurd Denial, Desperate Denial, Absurd Skepticism, Incongruous Skepticism, Illogical Skepticism, or something like that.
 
The description is also pretty terrible, since it makes it sound like you have simply a character who spouts crazy theories, rather apparently a skeptic who holds on to the idea of things being "normal" when all evidence in front of them points to the contrary.

It probably bears pointing out that neither Dana Scully nor The X-Files would provide examples then. If The X-Files episodes truly provided evidence for its characters that is contrary to what Scully holds, then, well, Agent Mulder would never, ever be an Agent Mulder (in other words, he wouldn't have to BELIEVE IN—or even pursue—the unordinary if we're supposing here that there's already enough actual proof to KNOW that it's all real).

As they always say on the show, "The truth is out there" (or: "wholly unknown to both main characters, who are always in search of it")—not in front of them.

edited 11th May '12 10:03:52 PM by SeanMurrayI

Darkness and Disgrace
I actually like "Denial Ball" or possibly "Skeptic Ball". If there's any way to differentiate this from the Agent Scully, it's that this is a specific character moment, rather than a character archetype.
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I like Skeptic Ball too. Now that I gave it more thought, "Denial" could be twisted by confused editors into a more romantic tone. (She Is Not My Girlfriend, and so on.)

Something Ball doesn't count for the "avoid snowclones" rule/suggestion, though, does it?

[up][up]Yes, I always wondered about that!
 
Maybe we could redirect Agency Scully to Skeptic Ball

 20 Circeus, Sat, 12th May '12 10:49:14 PM from Montreal, Canada
a quiet one
Bravo, Rodney. I have not often seen someone manage to twist and so successfully miss the point of a post.

To reiterate, let's forget the name for a minute. When a character is suffering from this trope, they are coming up with "rational" explanations that essentially come close to Agent Mulder from the opposite direction.

By contrast the defining characteristic of Agent Scully is an insistence on seemingly supernatural phenomena being given a rational explanation. Only by the nature of the hypothesis Agent Scully offers up may he or she actually turn out to suffer from this form of irrational skepticism.

The difference can be estimated by their reaction when faced with odd ritual murders with bite marks and drained bloods:

Agent Mulder immediately assumes vampires. Agent Scully presumes sort of ritual murders. The character suffering rapidly assumes the character is a skilled illusionist or hypnotist suffering from a rare blood disease and attempting to renew their supply by drinking it from their victims because the specific antigen they need to combat that strange disease disappears after a few minutes outside the body, which is why it was never found by science. Also they may have some sort of psychic powers... and basically it's justa rambling science-y description of a vampire... possibly following the discovery of dragons in a previous episodes: "But vampires? That's just ridiculous!"

The page quote from the Scooby D Oo movie is IMO a fairly good example of an Agent Scully character being affected by this trope. It's not necessarily Arbitrary Skepticism because it doesn't necessarily character that have a background with the bizarre. It's not Agent Scully for the reason above, and it's not Flat Earth Atheist for exactly the same reason as Arbitrary Skepticism. The reference to Weirdness Censor is very inappropriate IMO, since the trope requires the characters to explicitly acknowledge the weirdness before they can demonstrate their skepticism.
There are no inconsistencies in the Discworld books; occasionally, however, there are alternate pasts. —Terry Pratchett
Dial back the acrimony.

Deleted quotation, it was not critical to my point. Scully Syndrome is redundant.

edited 12th May '12 11:19:16 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
 22 ccoa, Fri, 15th Jun '12 6:43:08 AM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Clocking due to lack of activity.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 23 Spark 9, Fri, 15th Jun '12 11:46:31 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Okay, let's have a crowner here.
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 24 lu 127, Mon, 9th Jul '12 1:52:23 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
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代わりに祈りの唄
 25 ccoa, Thu, 23rd Aug '12 6:01:55 AM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Calling crowner: Merge into Flat Earth Athiest.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

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