I guess what I want is to get a solid set of definitions between KFS, AMAT, and Planet Eris
(as well as any related tropes). At the moment they all seem too fuzzy to make decent distinctions between them. Should we just open a new thread devoted to untangling the FKS mess?
Troacctid, you said:
"Fantasy Kitchen Sink is when it ends up looking like a patchwork of lots of disparate fantasy elements. It may or may not overlap with All Myths Are True."
Look, the first line
of FKS says, "What happens when All Myths Are True is turned Up to Eleven? You get a Fantasy Kitchen Sink!" If FKS is AMAT Up to Eleven
, how can you POSSIBLY be the former without being the latter? At what point does adding more AMAT equal "not AMAT"?
I think I can see the distinction you're drawing, but it doesn't follow from the current definition of these tropes. You seem to be saying "this is how it is now" rather than providing a set of possible definitions that could live side by side, but I don't see that reflected in the actual tropes as currently designed.
And even so I'm still not convinced that your versions are distinctly tropeable.
I can accept FKS requiring that the work is using a mishmash of origin culture and time period. For example, anything that mixes folklore (like faeries and gods) with modern myth (say, aliens and psionics) and urban legends (the mothman, the MIB) could certainly be a FKS, while a work that has a consistent theme to its fantastic elements ("everything from middle-ages european folklore, from werewolves to brownies") is not, even if it's packed with different legends.
It may be that Runescape put a lot of effort into making sure they weren't cribbing from existing creatures — but is that common enough to warrant a whole new trope for it?
I think part of the problem is that FKS is already poorly defined, so trying to make distinctions around the edges of it is a bit futile. (You said that Harry Potter is a good example of NOT being FKS... it's listed as an example on the FKS page...)
edited 22nd May '12 11:13:48 AM by Escher