This thread is for cleaning up pages that violate the No Lewdness, No Prudishness policy.
Do not use this thread for reporting pages that need to be cut for violating The Content Policy. Report pages that appear too lewd or gushy to have on the wiki using the "Report Page" button on the sidebar, with the checkbox saying "The page may violate the Content Policy" checked. That will create a thread on the Content Violation Discussions subforum
. The thread will be opened by a mod if the report is valid, and if it's deemed necessary, the page will be cleaned according to the Content Policy. (The list of pages that were deemed problematic can be found on The Content Policy's page.)
No Lewdness:
"Lewdness" is more than just being about something sexual or potentially sexual. Here are some signs of lewd writing:
- Personal opinions on hotness. Examples should stand on their own without the introduction of YMMV material. Adding your own thoughts and feelings on an example is an opinion, same as calling an example good or bad. Don't do it. Don't try and extend your feelings to a larger group of fans either, e.g. "...and fangirls everywhere rejoiced". You're not fooling anyone.
- Overly detailed examples. The example doesn't need to be an exact sensory account of the event. Too much of that and you end up sounding like you're writing porn. When in doubt, drop a few adjectives.
- Unrelated fanservice mentions. If the hot bits aren't related to the example, they don't belong in the example.
- Pornographic writing. If you're writing porn, it should be somewhere other than the wiki. Keep it Family Friendly.
- Titillation links. Tell, don't show. We don't need screen shots to illustrate NSFW fanservice. If a reader is really curious, they can go look it up on Google. (See also Weblinks Are Not Examples.)
- Pedo gushing. We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex, even if portrayed negatively, report it as a potential violation of The Content Policy using the "Report Page" button◊ in the sidebar.
- Talking about actors instead of characters. An actor is not the character they play. When you're writing an example about a work, refer to the character, not the actor. This applies to non-sexual references, but too often it's tropers writing about how they find certain actors hot. That doesn't fit in character examples.
- Thinking a page with a Not Safe for Work subject is license to be lewd. Even when we discuss porn, we are about just stating the facts.
- Fanfic Recs for underage sex. We will not host any recommendation for fics that have explicit sex involving people apparently or actually younger than 16. Period. We categorically do not recommend fics with sex in which at least one participant:
- This applies even if all parties are underage.
No Prudishness:
- Don't cutlist or gut pages just because they're about sexual topics. Sex exists. It's used in media a lot. You'll just need to cope with that fact. Relationships, fanservice, and sexual activity all fall into their own tropes as a result.
- Don't be a Bluenose Bowdlerizer. We're not looking to censor all sex off the wiki. If the sex and sexuality is an honest part of the work and relevant to the example, it belongs there.
- The wiki is not rated G. We aren't sanitizing the wiki for small children. Sex and sexuality are part of media and we aren't going to ignore them. This wiki is Family Friendly, not Unsupervised Small Child Friendly. This isn't an excuse to make work pages dirtier than the work itself, as the above No Lewdness section makes clear, but neither is it an excuse to make those pages cleaner than the work itself.
For further explanations, please read this thread
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 6th 2024 at 3:54:01 AM
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All right. Done.
Yes.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Glancing through the recent TRS thread on Zettai Ryouiki has made me wonder whether it needs to be brought up here (the trope, not the thread). The entire phenomenon has levels of "analysis" and what I can honestly only call fetishization that make it seem a bit questionable, particularly in light of how many of the characters concerned are underage.
I don't know how much of an issue it truly is, but I figured that it might be worth bringing up here.
edited 9th Jul '12 8:48:38 PM by nrjxll
Nope- 16 year olds in high stockings isn't lewd. "Character A has thigh high socks" isn't lewd. If they get into how hot it is, it's lewd.
That's what I'm wondering about - I don't know if it's getting into how hot, specifically, it is, but there certainly does seem (to me) to be an excess of detail involved.
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
Self-Fanservice may need a look-through. I'm a little perturbed by someone describing Dawn and Misty from Pokemon as 'obvious lolicon-bait', for a start.
What's precedent ever done for us?
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It's one of those tropes that people seem to think any example that's not a Zero Context Example is too detailed and those aren't allowed on the page. I'm not sure why, but because it's socks people seem uncomfortable with having it discussed. I think because it's a weird thing to talk about.
edited 10th Jul '12 7:09:58 AM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Ah, I see. I adore socks, so 'so and so has socks of mid thigh length' does not seem pervy to me.
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What? >confused
edited 10th Jul '12 7:12:00 AM by Enzeru
State of Mind
Is Self-Fanservice even a trope?
"What a century this week has been." - Seung Min Kim
I'm not sure if it's one that can have examples, but yes.
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It is, but I'm kinda iffy about some of the examples listed.
These three works were resolved from the Content Violations queue with cleanup and sometimes limitation orders, can someone check that they are beign followed through?
edited 11th Jul '12 4:00:35 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
likes the cheeses.
Thanks for your help on that one, marking it as "done."
For Sky Girls and Retake we specifically need confirmation that the page is limited to examples from the TV series and All Ages version, respectively.
edited 11th Jul '12 9:43:45 AM by Meeble
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Did you mean "TV version only" for Sky Girls or Dance In The Vampire Bund? I'll gladly add this statement to either page, but I need to know which one.
I've already added them.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
likes the cheeses.
Gah, you're right, I thought Sky Girls and Retake were the bottom two on the list. Sorry for the confusion. Sky Girls is the one that should be limited to the TV Series in the examples.
I just want to be sure that there are no examples from the non-approved versions before we close those two out for good.
edited 11th Jul '12 9:45:41 AM by Meeble
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Hi
I'm starting to work on RE-TAKE but someone else that's read the all-ages version should probably come after me (pun not intended) and see if everything's right.
EDIT: Okay, here are the tropes on the page that definitely need to be rewritten to account for how they're handled in the All Ages version: Despair Event Horizon, Foreign-Language Tirade, Half-Human Hybrid, Happily Married...
EDIT #2: Okay, it's fairly obvious that there's a lot of stuff on the page that's going to have to be rewritten to account for the All Ages version's structure, so I'm just going to remove the tropes that mention the prurient content and leave it at that.
edited 11th Jul '12 11:08:40 AM by Willbyr
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Requesting cleanup of Nana To Kaoru. Once we are sure that any gushing has been purged, we can put it to rest.
We also need to restrict the Kanokon page to the manga version only.
edited 11th Jul '12 1:31:19 PM by tdgoodrich1
"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
I'll look into Nana To Kaoru.
Edit: The main page was surprisingly clean. I remove some overly-detailed examples, but there was next to no gushing. I'll go over the sub-pages now.
edited 11th Jul '12 2:19:28 PM by jkbeta
likes the cheeses.
Sounds good, Willbyr. Once you're satisfied with it let us know and I'll mark it as Done on the queue.
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Alright, I worked on Kanokon. I took out the Crunchyroll link, added a note to only talk about the light novel and anime, and took out any entries that were explicitly about the anime version.
Looks good to me too. I wrote that in the resolution just to be on the safe side.