Is it actually possible to change sex?:

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151 Morven28th Jun 2012 01:24:40 PM from Seattle, WA, USA
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[up][up]Entirely possible, though one must also consider that the average height of a FTM transsexual is less than average, and short men earn less.
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152 RJSavoy29th Jun 2012 04:33:44 AM from Edinburgh , Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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"Agendered" person makes me think of someone who has an agenda concerning gender...

And isn't "gender" a word of Latin derivation? We can't give it a Greek prefix.

How about "non-gendered"?
153 Enthryn29th Jun 2012 09:46:40 AM from Earth , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
[up] Mixing Latin and Greek roots is nothing new for English, and it's still not as strange as mixing German and Latin roots, which English does even more.
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154 Lawyerdude29th Jun 2012 10:01:40 AM from my secret moon base
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How can a person be non-gendered? A person can be asexual, in the sense of having no sex drive, but everybody has or is perceived as having some masculine and/or feminine characteristics.
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156 Enzeru29th Jun 2012 11:41:02 AM from Orlando, FL χಠ♥
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A person can be asexual, in the sense of having no sex drive

Being asexual =/= lack of sex drive
157 Euodiachloris29th Jun 2012 11:46:58 AM from England (Oop North) , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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[up]Yuppers. smile

It means not really giving the sex-drive the driving seat in your goals and life-choices. It varies if this is due to lack of actual drive, or just a shift in perspective. <shrugs>

Yup: been labelled "frigid" just for suggesting there are bigger things in the world to be interested in, before now. tongue

edited 29th Jun '12 11:48:04 AM by Euodiachloris

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158 Lawyerdude29th Jun 2012 12:22:05 PM from my secret moon base
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[up] and [up][up] Really? According to the Kinsey Institute, asexuality is generally a lack of interest in or desire for sexual activity, or lack of sexual attraction to anyone. If asexuality is simply learning to prioritize other activities over sex, then just about anybody could be called asexual.
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I define it and will continue to define it as "Lack of sexual attraction to others, total lack of sex drive, or lack of interest in sex".

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160 Euodiachloris29th Jun 2012 12:37:35 PM from England (Oop North) , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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[up][up]Asexuals might well engage in sexual activity to keep a partner, even if the activity may not actually interest them particularly (partnership might well be big on the agenda, though). That they don't get the same kick from sex as the majority of the population is very likely, but this doesn't mean that they are totally sex-less creatures, either. That's all.

After all, you can get a kick out of being hugged and hugging a person. Or making them feel fantastic.

edited 29th Jun '12 12:39:13 PM by Euodiachloris

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161 Lawyerdude10th Jul 2012 12:16:37 PM from my secret moon base
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Asexuality is basically sex drive turned down to zero. A person can have a very low sex drive and not be asexual, as long as they have some desire or interest in sexual activity. It's like the difference between having poor eyesight and being blind.

And sure, asexual people can still engage in sexual activity, just as I could probably compel myself to engage in homosexual activity. It's not who I am or what I want, but I am physically able to do it.

The point that I was making before, is that a person can change their appearance, but we can't yet rewrite DNA to actually change sex. I generally have no issue with people choosing to make physical alterations to themselves, as long as it's sane, safe and consensual. It's their body, they can do what they want to it.

But what raises my concerns is that people who want to be a different sex get these procedures done, and the result is not a change in the person's sex. It's only a change in the person's appearance (and not always a very convincing one). Maybe that's enough for them. I sure hope it is.

edited 10th Jul '12 12:18:14 PM by Lawyerdude

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162 Morven10th Jul 2012 03:37:43 PM from Seattle, WA, USA
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Lawyerdude, you do appear to be arguing from a position that the transsexual or transgendered do not know what is currently possible. In fact, with rare exceptions, they know a hell of a lot about what can and cannot be done; they live in that world, after all, every day.

About "asexual": I think the word suffers from being used (correctly or not) to cover a too-broad variety of situations, and more clarity might be gained through splitting them out. "I choose not to have sex" isn't to my mind asexuality; it's celibacy, a pre-existing word with a well-understood meaning and long history. (Asexuals: is there any reason why "celibacy" is considered inappropriate for such a case?)
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163 Muramasan1310th Jul 2012 04:17:09 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
Celibacy implies abstaining from sex despite desiring it, so it doesn't work for asexuals, but does for what you described.

edited 10th Jul '12 4:17:55 PM by Muramasan13

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164 Euodiachloris11th Jul 2012 01:24:26 AM from England (Oop North) , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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Yeah: I don't desire sex, even if I also don't find it painful or annoying, either. I can easily do it if I wish to keep a relationship going, but... meh: big deal. It's just an activity, like many others in life (like, doing any exercise, it can lead to some sense of well-being, but just the same as that). I can easily imagine my life with decades without and not flinch. Unlike many others.

Hence: I can practice celibacy easily, as my nature is asexual. Another individual could practice celibacy, but it may not be as easy for them.

edited 11th Jul '12 1:28:28 AM by Euodiachloris

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165 joeyjojo11th Jul 2012 05:51:30 AM from South Sydney: go the bunnies!
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Asexuality is basically sex drive turned down to zero. A person can have a very low sex drive and not be asexual.

I think there is meant to be a different between asexuality and 'mere' absence of sexual desire, but you will have to ask an asexual.

Regardless many transexuals would argue that they are already the oposite sex and their body simplly doesn't match up to their 'real' sex.

edited 11th Jul '12 5:56:15 AM by joeyjojo

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166 Muramasan1314th Jul 2012 12:04:45 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
Relevant thing that I found with twenty seconds of Googling.

Asexuality can manifest in different ways. Some asexuals have no sex drive whatsoever. Others do have a sex drive, but never feel physically attracted to anyone.

Lack of a sex drive can be transient or pathological, but if it is permanent, I think that counts as asexuality.

edited 14th Jul '12 12:05:59 PM by Muramasan13

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167 Morven15th Jul 2012 04:04:20 AM from Seattle, WA, USA
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@Mura: that was the sense I was using it. I have found people using "asexual" when both sexual desire and sexual attraction exist, but the person decides that sex is not for them; that, to my mind, is "celibacy".

Perhaps it's because they think "celibacy" might simply mean "I have terrible luck finding a partner".
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168 saintbraeburn15th Jul 2012 04:42:05 PM from Dysfunctional California
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The Topic of this thread seem to have shifted from Transsexualism to Asexuality.
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169 Muramasan1315th Jul 2012 05:13:27 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
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170 joeyjojo16th Jul 2012 04:21:22 AM from South Sydney: go the bunnies!
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173 Lawyerdude16th Jul 2012 07:53:35 AM from my secret moon base
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edited 16th Jul '12 7:54:57 AM by Lawyerdude

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174 Morven16th Jul 2012 11:13:28 AM from Seattle, WA, USA
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I'm thinking this thread has outrun its useful life, and will therefore lock it.

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