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Saya no Uta (Currently P5 Only):

 1 Komodin, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:31:50 PM from Somewhere in Windy Hill Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Sonic Wiki Curator
Okay, I'll be brief here: should the page for this work be brought back?

Me, I'm not too familiar with it, not being a Visual Novel fan and all, but from what I heard, it focuses far more on horror than sex. So, what do you guys think?
 2 Ragna The Saviour, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:34:54 PM from Gamindustri Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Purple Heart
Saya no Uta only has three endings. There are three H-Scenes in total (that I recall) and they can be censored. It's more plot-heavy than anything and it revolves around Saya and Fuminori's relationship.

But then again, the sex is needed so that Saya can sprout and transform all of mankind into her own kind, as that is her way of reproducing.

Saya's true form is also that of a Shoggoth and the NA release has an aged up Saya who looks around eighteen. Current Saya looks around twelve-fourteen, and Fuminori is a college student... I think, around twenty.

edited 2nd May '12 5:36:31 PM by RagnaTheSaviour

"No matter how many times you try, justice is totally on our side!"
I also haven't read it, but I've never heard of anyone commenting on the sex apart from saying it's disturbing. Since it's a classic cosmic horror story I presume that it's supposed to be like that.

But basically, the plot is something like this: The main character gets in a car crash and his life is saved by some sort of experimental procedure. However, after waking up, his perceptions have been drastically warped and the world appears monstrous and disgusting to him apart from one girl. A relationship starts up, but apparently it's not that that girl was immune to his warped perception. She's actually an Eldritch Abomination with no real concept of human morality. The protagonist goes insane, things go to hell and horror ensues. There is apparently some sort of horrible rape that is most definitely not played for titillation. Incredibly depressing endings ensue.

^ And apparently there is very little sex, but the plot actually needs it to some extent.

edited 2nd May '12 5:36:56 PM by Arha

 4 Ragna The Saviour, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:37:22 PM from Gamindustri Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Purple Heart
[up] And then the rapist gets promptly cleaved apart by an ax.
"No matter how many times you try, justice is totally on our side!"
 5 Martello, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:38:56 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
She's an Eldritch Abomination that looks like a little girl. Does anything else really need to be said?

@Ragna - the "she needs to have sex for blah blah contrived bullshit reason" argument doesn't work here, at all. No fictional character needs to do anything, except for whatever the author decides.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
 6 Rhyme Beat, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:41:07 PM from Eastern Standard Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Green Sorceress
I could say she looks like a flat chested 16 year old here. Is that an actual image from the game?

I'm not sure that can be considered pedo pandering. That's definitely not what the author is famous for. If anything, it's an attempt to make her seem more harmless when she's actually completely inhuman.

edited 2nd May '12 5:45:54 PM by Arha

 8 shimaspawn, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:42:01 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
That's fan art, Martello. She looks a fair bit older than that in the actual game.

edited 2nd May '12 5:42:27 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 9 Martello, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:46:32 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
Really? All the images I could find looked about the same. Can someone link me to better ones? I remember a few people linked images when we first talked about this a few weeks ago and they all looked prepubescent to me, or at least barely into her early teens. And she does have sex with the Fuminori guy, unless all my research was wrong.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
 10 Ragna The Saviour, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:47:02 PM from Gamindustri Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Purple Heart
[up][up][up] Exactly what Ahra said.

And that's vastly over simplifying things.

edited 2nd May '12 5:48:53 PM by RagnaTheSaviour

"No matter how many times you try, justice is totally on our side!"
 11 shimaspawn, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:47:15 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Yes, really. This is official art. Note that she looks much less like a little girl.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 12 Martello, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:48:26 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
She's built looks like my little sister, both face and body. Who's 14.

edited 2nd May '12 6:19:06 PM by Martello

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
someone
This is a Japanese work. Japanese women tend to be flat-chested, and that's probably whatever reference which was used.

edited 2nd May '12 5:49:19 PM by ThatHuman

something
 14 Ragna The Saviour, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:49:14 PM from Gamindustri Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Purple Heart
[up][up] The age of consent in Japan is fourteen... and not all teenagers are built the same...

edited 2nd May '12 5:49:58 PM by RagnaTheSaviour

"No matter how many times you try, justice is totally on our side!"
The Japanese age of consent does not matter.

Looking at her, I could buy 14-16.

edited 2nd May '12 5:50:56 PM by Arha

 16 Raidouthe21st, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:49:54 PM from Absolutely whacking your friends Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
U Jelly?
Just going to note that there's an american comic version that has the same exact story as the game, but the art draws Saya as far, far, far less loli. So...I don't think "she looks underage" is good enough grounds to have the work itself cut.

You know. If the art's the main issue here.

edited 2nd May '12 5:51:46 PM by Raidouthe21st

"A haiku for the man: Man with sunglasses, has them on all night and day, watch out where you go."
The Demon Slayer
[up][up][up] Last I heard, we weren't going by Japanese standards. The baseline we agreed upon was 16.

edited 2nd May '12 5:50:41 PM by TwoGunAngel

 18 Ragna The Saviour, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:50:42 PM from Gamindustri Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Purple Heart
[up] Ah, forgot about that then, my bad.

edited 2nd May '12 5:51:57 PM by RagnaTheSaviour

"No matter how many times you try, justice is totally on our side!"
She's built like me, and I'm in my 30s.
My alignment is Chaotic Cute.
 20 Rhyme Beat, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:52:59 PM from Eastern Standard Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Green Sorceress
Real Japanese girl that age for comparison (looked up solely for demonstration purposes).
She's built like my little sister. Who's 14

Fully grown women come in all sizes and shapes, both for their body as a whole and their bust size.

There are no shortage of adult women with comparable portions, especially in Japan.

I find it rather disturbing that someone in a position to make calls about what stays and goes on this wiki can essentially use "Her boobs aren't big enough" as an argument for declaring something as pedophile pandering when the person in question is clearly post-pubescent. Biology hint of the day: Truly pre-pubescent girls are well well below the age of 14, and don't have any breasts at all.

In summary: Just because a character isn't built like Barbie doesn't mean the character is a little child. Stop applying Western biases to character design.

edited 2nd May '12 6:05:59 PM by Catbert

You may want to lay off the attacks. All you're going to do is make him feel more defensive.

Anyway, she's clearly pubescent at least, regardless of whether you think she's 14, 16 or 18. I think the point then becomes on the frequency of sexual scenes and the other points of the guidelines.

[down] Arha.

edited 2nd May '12 6:01:05 PM by Arha

 23 Ragna The Saviour, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:59:52 PM from Gamindustri Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Purple Heart
[up] What Ahra said. We can't say or do anything to make Martello change his ways.

I honestly don't see the point in these Discussion threads myself since most of the decisions are unilateral despite the arguments held.
"No matter how many times you try, justice is totally on our side!"
 24 Raidouthe21st, Wed, 2nd May '12 6:00:04 PM from Absolutely whacking your friends Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
U Jelly?
Indeed. I'd rather this not devolve into a back-and-forth argument over how the artist draws a character's deluded interpretation of an Eldrtich Abomination aka Saya.

[up]Would you rather the site give us no place to actually address issues that the P5 might want to know more about?

edited 2nd May '12 6:01:48 PM by Raidouthe21st

"A haiku for the man: Man with sunglasses, has them on all night and day, watch out where you go."
You may want to lay off the attacks.

Countering a bad argument isn't a personal attack.

All you're going to do is make him feel more defensive.

If Martello is incapable of taking disagreement, he can tell us so himself.

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