Saya no Uta (Currently P5 Only):

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1 Komodin2nd May 2012 05:31:50 PM from Somewhere in Windy Hill Zone , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Sonic Wiki Curator of TV Tropes
Okay, I'll be brief here: should the page for this work be brought back?

Me, I'm not too familiar with it, not being a Visual Novel fan and all, but from what I heard, it focuses far more on horror than sex. So, what do you guys think?
2 RagnaTheSaviour2nd May 2012 05:34:54 PM from a volcano , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
3rd Generation Hero
Saya no Uta only has three endings. There are three H-Scenes in total (that I recall) and they can be censored. It's more plot-heavy than anything and it revolves around Saya and Fuminori's relationship.

But then again, the sex is needed so that Saya can sprout and transform all of mankind into her own kind, as that is her way of reproducing.

Saya's true form is also that of a Shoggoth and the NA release has an aged up Saya who looks around eighteen. Current Saya looks around twelve-fourteen, and Fuminori is a college student... I think, around twenty.

edited 2nd May '12 5:36:31 PM by RagnaTheSaviour

"He-llo? Could you say that again? More slowly? In a language I understand? Depending on what you said, I might kick your ass!"
I also haven't read it, but I've never heard of anyone commenting on the sex apart from saying it's disturbing. Since it's a classic cosmic horror story I presume that it's supposed to be like that.

But basically, the plot is something like this: The main character gets in a car crash and his life is saved by some sort of experimental procedure. However, after waking up, his perceptions have been drastically warped and the world appears monstrous and disgusting to him apart from one girl. A relationship starts up, but apparently it's not that that girl was immune to his warped perception. She's actually an Eldritch Abomination with no real concept of human morality. The protagonist goes insane, things go to hell and horror ensues. There is apparently some sort of horrible rape that is most definitely not played for titillation. Incredibly depressing endings ensue.

^ And apparently there is very little sex, but the plot actually needs it to some extent.

edited 2nd May '12 5:36:56 PM by Arha

4 RagnaTheSaviour2nd May 2012 05:37:22 PM from a volcano , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
3rd Generation Hero
[up] And then the rapist gets promptly cleaved apart by an ax.
"He-llo? Could you say that again? More slowly? In a language I understand? Depending on what you said, I might kick your ass!"
5 Martello2nd May 2012 05:38:56 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
She's an Eldritch Abomination that looks like a little girl. Does anything else really need to be said?

@Ragna - the "she needs to have sex for blah blah contrived bullshit reason" argument doesn't work here, at all. No fictional character needs to do anything, except for whatever the author decides.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
6 RhymeBeat2nd May 2012 05:41:07 PM from Eastern Standard , Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Wind at my Back
I could say she looks like a flat chested 16 year old here. Is that an actual image from the game?

Off Beat
I'm not sure that can be considered pedo pandering. That's definitely not what the author is famous for. If anything, it's an attempt to make her seem more harmless when she's actually completely inhuman.

edited 2nd May '12 5:45:54 PM by Arha

8 shimaspawn2nd May 2012 05:42:01 PM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
That's fan art, Martello. She looks a fair bit older than that in the actual game.

edited 2nd May '12 5:42:27 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
9 Martello2nd May 2012 05:46:32 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
Really? All the images I could find looked about the same. Can someone link me to better ones? I remember a few people linked images when we first talked about this a few weeks ago and they all looked prepubescent to me, or at least barely into her early teens. And she does have sex with the Fuminori guy, unless all my research was wrong.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
10 RagnaTheSaviour2nd May 2012 05:47:02 PM from a volcano , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
3rd Generation Hero
[up][up][up] Exactly what Ahra said.

And that's vastly over simplifying things.

edited 2nd May '12 5:48:53 PM by RagnaTheSaviour

"He-llo? Could you say that again? More slowly? In a language I understand? Depending on what you said, I might kick your ass!"
11 shimaspawn2nd May 2012 05:47:15 PM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
Yes, really. This is official art. Note that she looks much less like a little girl.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
12 Martello2nd May 2012 05:48:26 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
She's built looks like my little sister, both face and body. Who's 14.

edited 2nd May '12 6:19:06 PM by Martello

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
someone
This is a Japanese work. Japanese women tend to be flat-chested, and that's probably whatever reference which was used.

edited 2nd May '12 5:49:19 PM by ThatHuman

something
14 RagnaTheSaviour2nd May 2012 05:49:14 PM from a volcano , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
3rd Generation Hero
[up][up] The age of consent in Japan is fourteen... and not all teenagers are built the same...

edited 2nd May '12 5:49:58 PM by RagnaTheSaviour

"He-llo? Could you say that again? More slowly? In a language I understand? Depending on what you said, I might kick your ass!"
The Japanese age of consent does not matter.

Looking at her, I could buy 14-16.

edited 2nd May '12 5:50:56 PM by Arha

16 Raidouthe21st2nd May 2012 05:49:54 PM from Absolutely whacking your friends , Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Tech-priest in training
Just going to note that there's an american comic version that has the same exact story as the game, but the art draws Saya as far, far, far less loli. So...I don't think "she looks underage" is good enough grounds to have the work itself cut.

You know. If the art's the main issue here.

edited 2nd May '12 5:51:46 PM by Raidouthe21st

17 TwoGunAngel2nd May 2012 05:50:17 PM , Relationship Status: Singularity
The Demon Slayer
[up][up][up] Last I heard, we weren't going by Japanese standards. The baseline we agreed upon was 16.

edited 2nd May '12 5:50:41 PM by TwoGunAngel

18 RagnaTheSaviour2nd May 2012 05:50:42 PM from a volcano , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
3rd Generation Hero
[up] Ah, forgot about that then, my bad.

edited 2nd May '12 5:51:57 PM by RagnaTheSaviour

"He-llo? Could you say that again? More slowly? In a language I understand? Depending on what you said, I might kick your ass!"
She's built like me, and I'm in my 30s.
My alignment is Chaotic Cute.
20 RhymeBeat2nd May 2012 05:52:59 PM from Eastern Standard , Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Wind at my Back
Real Japanese girl that age for comparison (looked up solely for demonstration purposes).
Off Beat
She's built like my little sister. Who's 14

Fully grown women come in all sizes and shapes, both for their body as a whole and their bust size.

There are no shortage of adult women with comparable portions, especially in Japan.

I find it rather disturbing that someone in a position to make calls about what stays and goes on this wiki can essentially use "Her boobs aren't big enough" as an argument for declaring something as pedophile pandering when the person in question is clearly post-pubescent. Biology hint of the day: Truly pre-pubescent girls are well well below the age of 14, and don't have any breasts at all.

In summary: Just because a character isn't built like Barbie doesn't mean the character is a little child. Stop applying Western biases to character design.

edited 2nd May '12 6:05:59 PM by Catbert

You may want to lay off the attacks. All you're going to do is make him feel more defensive.

Anyway, she's clearly pubescent at least, regardless of whether you think she's 14, 16 or 18. I think the point then becomes on the frequency of sexual scenes and the other points of the guidelines.

[down] Arha.

edited 2nd May '12 6:01:05 PM by Arha

23 RagnaTheSaviour2nd May 2012 05:59:52 PM from a volcano , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
3rd Generation Hero
"He-llo? Could you say that again? More slowly? In a language I understand? Depending on what you said, I might kick your ass!"
24 Raidouthe21st2nd May 2012 06:00:04 PM from Absolutely whacking your friends , Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Tech-priest in training
Indeed. I'd rather this not devolve into a back-and-forth argument over how the artist draws a character's deluded interpretation of an Eldrtich Abomination aka Saya.

[up]Would you rather the site give us no place to actually address issues that the P5 might want to know more about?

edited 2nd May '12 6:01:48 PM by Raidouthe21st

You may want to lay off the attacks.

Countering a bad argument isn't a personal attack.

All you're going to do is make him feel more defensive.

If Martello is incapable of taking disagreement, he can tell us so himself.

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