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The Story of O - Feedback wanted:

 1 Martello, Mon, 30th Apr '12 5:11:07 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
Can someone who's read this give some pros and cons? Hershele, since I remember you saying you read it but aren't sure how to say it's not porn, would you mind expounding a little? I've looked at some things but I'd like some input before I go and read the whole book. I know it has a lot of BDSM in it, but is it really just pure porn?

Trivia - For some reason I was conflating The Story of O with Virginia Woolf's Orlando until I started doing research on it. Weird.

edited 30th Apr '12 5:36:40 PM by Martello

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
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I just requested it from my library, and assume it'll arrive in a day or two. I don't know if The Story of O is an urgent case, but if it isn't, I could probably read it in a couple of hours and get back to you in a few days?

edited 30th Apr '12 5:27:34 PM by LargoQuagmire

 3 Martello, Mon, 30th Apr '12 5:28:10 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
It's not urgent. Take your time, and I'm sure Hershele will find his way here eventually and have something to say. He always does. evil grin
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
 4 Xtifr, Mon, 30th Apr '12 9:46:31 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Netflix has the movie available for streaming. I haven't seen it, but they generally draw the line at outright porn, though they do have stuff I'd call plot-with-porn.

ETA: I was actually surprised to see it on Netflix; what I've heard of it made it sound like something more porny than I'd expect them to carry.

edited 30th Apr '12 9:48:37 PM by Xtifr

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 5 A Groupie, Mon, 30th Apr '12 10:12:11 PM from City of Angelic Devils
sick of it all
I'd say this - it is historical porn. As in, it is unquestionably porn, but it is also historical literature, a Trope Codifier for future erotic literature and for some parts of BDSM artistry and symbolism, whether those things that were inspired by or descended from it in some way are pure porn, porn with plot, or even sexual but not to the degree of outright porn.

I personally think it needs the same treatment that precedent gave Playboy: it should be cleaned and locked, possibly left as a stub if it is that absolutely not tropeable without remaining clean.

edited 30th Apr '12 10:13:31 PM by AGroupie

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 6 Shaoken, Mon, 30th Apr '12 11:26:12 PM Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
I have a friend who had to read it as apart of his course, so if they're giving it out in unniversities it probably isn't porn.

 7 JHM, Tue, 1st May '12 2:29:08 AM from Neither Here Nor There Relationship Status: I know
Thunder, Perfect Mind
There's an interesting feminist subtext to The Story Of O if you know anything about its history, but that aside: Pornography? Yes. Literature of merit? Also, yes. Should there be an article on it? Probably. Should anyone/everyone be able to edit said article? Probably not.

edited 1st May '12 2:29:42 AM by JHM

 8 shimaspawn, Tue, 1st May '12 7:17:40 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I think I have to agree here that this is one of those works we should list with a historical summary because it is culturally important, and then we keep it locked.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 9 Martello, Tue, 1st May '12 7:23:06 AM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
I'm inclined to go with Shima's suggestion.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
 10 Komodin, Tue, 1st May '12 7:27:11 AM from Somewhere in Windy Hill Zone Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Decemberist
Published in French by Jean-Jacques Pauvert, Story of O is a tale of female submission about a beautiful Parisian fashion photographer, O, who is blindfolded, chained, whipped, branded, pierced, made to wear a mask, and taught to be constantly available for oral, vaginal, and anal intercourse. Despite her harsh treatment, O grants permission beforehand for everything that occurs, and her permission is consistently sought.

From Wikipedia with my emphasis.
Dutch Lesbian
 12 Hershele Ostropoler, Tue, 1st May '12 7:50:27 AM from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Sharing a spaghetti noodle
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
A little late, I think.

Having, ahem, "found my way here" after I was PMed, I want to emphasize that I haven't read it, and didn't intend to give the impression I had. What I know from subcultural osmosis is that it's Porn with Plot. Desclos/Réage wrote it as fap material for her boyfriend.

I can't really give a straight answer on what I think should be done with the page. I want to keep it as-is, mostly because of what A Groupie and JHM said, but I recognize that under the rules doing so would be questionable at best. If it's kept for historical valure but locked that's better, by that measure, than killing it entirely.
The child is father to the manOedipus
From what I've heard of it (granted, I've heard a LOT about it), The Story of O is unambiguously, clearly, and intentionally porn, but it ALSO is culturally important enough to get taught in universities.

It would definitely pass the Miller test, is what I'm saying.
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 14 Hershele Ostropoler, Tue, 1st May '12 11:16:56 AM from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Sharing a spaghetti noodle
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
University students are culturally deemed adults, though; that it's given to adults proves little.

I intended to skim the book, but I'd have had to go past riot police and request it. Make of my reluctance to do so what you will
The child is father to the manOedipus
The Demon Slayer
Riot police? surprised Would that be figurative or literal?

edited 1st May '12 11:25:01 AM by TwoGunAngel

Decemberist
Tbh, The Story of O isn't as bad as other works on the wiki and the story is about a couple in a D/s being shown how to do it. The couple is also shown to be consensual and there is a lot of character development.
Dutch Lesbian
[up][up] There are May Day protests in some cities. I should have checked the library when I had the chance.

The Demon Slayer
Just googled "May Day protests."

Hershele, I do not blame you one bit for not going out there.

I'm inclined to go with shima's suggestion. I take it that would include cutting the examples? I mean, it's basically a stub anyway, so its not a huge deal either direction.
 20 shimaspawn, Tue, 1st May '12 1:56:17 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Yeah, cut the examples. Leave a description and a note about why it's studied in schools, lock it and call it a day.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 21 Hershele Ostropoler, Tue, 1st May '12 2:58:53 PM from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Sharing a spaghetti noodle
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Literal, the protest was in the park behind the NYPL.

Anyway, I'm surprised this has an angel while another work that's more plotty has two devils, but, off-topic.
The child is father to the manOedipus
 22 Martello, Tue, 1st May '12 4:13:36 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
Okay, so I'm hearing from everyone else and the other 5P members that we should cut examples of this and lock. Any issues, or can we go ahead and make it happen?
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
 23 Martello, Wed, 2nd May '12 5:41:10 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
Hollered to have the examples cut and page locked. Done.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
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