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Lotte no Omocha (feedback requested):

 1 Martello, Sat, 28th Apr '12 10:11:26 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
Lotta yes Pedoshit. Thumbs down.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
 2 Komodin, Sat, 28th Apr '12 10:15:43 PM from Somewhere in Windy Hill Zone Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Hm, to be honest, I'm kinda on the fence on this particular matter. I mean, on the one hand, there's the whole deal with the ten-year-old succubus for a main character. Yet, on the other hand, from what I've heard, it's actually relatively innocuous, with nothing explicit occurring at any point in the work. If someone can clue me in on what's the deal with this work, they can go right ahead and PM me some info on it.
 3 rockmanx, Sat, 28th Apr '12 10:46:19 PM from Somewhere up there Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Bite my shiny metal behind

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 4 Komodin, Sun, 29th Apr '12 12:58:31 AM from Somewhere in Windy Hill Zone Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Okay, after reading the first few chapters, I can safely say that this is... okay with me. Yes, this is something of an ecchi series, so it does have its fair share of fanservice; however, not only do those moments not show anything explicit, none of them involve any kids. In fact, aforementioned fanservice bits aside, it's actually one of the more innocent works that I've read. So, yeah, despite the Audience-Alienating Premise, it ain't a porno nor a pro-pedophilic work, and that's good enough for me.

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I'm with Kamodin. I just read the first five chapters. No sex—implied or explicit—just a bad case of Audience-Alienating Premise.
Still. It is fucked by that premise. There just isn't any way to play 10 year old succubus as "just funnin' around."
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 8 Martello, Sun, 29th Apr '12 11:34:20 AM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
Exactly.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
 9 Meeble, Thu, 3rd May '12 6:01:49 AM from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
My initial thought on this series is to cut, based on the premise of a fanservice heavy series focusing on a ten year old.

Shimaspawn stated in one of the other threads that the anime is much tamer than the manga. If that's true, I would potentially be open to voting to make the page anime only. I'd like to take the time to review a few episodes before making that decision.
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 10 Martello, Thu, 3rd May '12 6:59:07 AM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
Take your time.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
 11 Komodin, Thu, 3rd May '12 7:00:18 AM from Somewhere in Windy Hill Zone Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
 12 Meeble, Thu, 3rd May '12 8:11:45 PM from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
Well, I've watched about four episodes of the anime series. I'll go ahead and list the elements I found problematic with what I've seen so far:

  • No less than ten panty shots from Lotte that lingered uncomfortably long.
  • Suggestive eye catches, such as Lotte licking her (phallic) tail, or licking cream off of the maid's chest.
  • Sexual jokes and innuendo centered on Lotte, ranging from "scattered" to "omnipresent" depending on the episode.
  • The use of some fairly common "romance anime" tropes between Naoya and Lotte, which could easily paint the relationship as romantic instead of familial for some viewers.
  • It's listed as seinen, and thus aimed at older viewers.

I want to make it clear that I do think this series is right on the borderline, and I can easily see how the average fan could enjoy the show without prurient interest. The relationship issues between Lotte and her mother are genuinely sweet/sad, and the butler (Olaf?) is hilarious. It's certainly not even close to as bad as Kodomo no Jikan as far as sexualization goes.

That said, the combination of problematic elements just pushes it too far across the line for me. It's unfortunate, because a few minor changes to different aspects of the story would have made it a lot more acceptable. As is, though, my vote will be for this work page to remain cut.

edited 3rd May '12 8:17:22 PM by Meeble

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 13 Meeble, Mon, 7th May '12 10:42:55 AM from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
Bumping to ask if there is anything else the other panel members would like to add, or if this thread is ready to be locked.
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 14 Martello, Mon, 7th May '12 12:19:47 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
So I think this is three to two with Eddie, Meeble, and I voting to keep cut, Discar and Komodin voting to restore.
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 15 Meeble, Mon, 7th May '12 12:26:43 PM from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
Whoops, for some reason I was thinking Catalogue had weighed in on this one, and that I was the fifth vote, but it appears I was mistaken. Is Eddie taking his place, officially?

If not, I don't see why it can't wait until the Cat comes back.

edited 7th May '12 12:27:52 PM by Meeble

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 16 Martello, Mon, 7th May '12 1:39:39 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
The problem is that we haven't heard from Catalogue since 25 April. Since Eddie was taking Triple Elation's place I figured he just continued filling in for the other missing member. I'll holler to get the official word.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
If I could find the Lotte violation report, I'd give it a devil. It's already cut, right? I guess this is done.
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 18 Meeble, Mon, 7th May '12 3:26:53 PM from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
Yes, it's cut already.
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 19 Komodin, Mon, 7th May '12 3:27:34 PM from Somewhere in Windy Hill Zone Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Yep, looks like it. I guess we can lock this and call it a day.
 20 ccoa, Mon, 7th May '12 3:28:27 PM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Rock-a-bye, and goodnight... go to sleep little thre-ad...
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 21 Best Of, Thu, 14th Feb '13 7:03:36 AM from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
With Mod Hat On
Opened upon P5 request. This is still P5-only.

edited 14th Feb '13 7:03:45 AM by BestOf

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
 22 Meeble, Thu, 14th Feb '13 7:14:57 AM from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
I'd like to change this to (feedback requested) for now. Apologies, I should have included that in my original holler.

It was pointed out to me in the Page Restoration Petitions thread that based on the feedback I originally received, I did not give the manga for Lotte No Omocha a proper review. I think this was a fair point, and thus I'd like to request feedback (positive or negative) on whether the manga specifically violates our policy. I plan to read some of this series over the weekend, and will weigh the opinions provided here against that to make my final decision.

The feedback I want is for the manga only, as I previously reviewed enough of the anime series to feel secure that my vote on that will not change. Tgoodrich1 has indicated that he would be willing to review this series as well, so if he wants info on anything anime-related I will leave it to him to ask for it.
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 23 Best Of, Thu, 14th Feb '13 7:18:29 AM from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
[up]No problem.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Seeking for Light
Not sure if you care, but here are links to previous discussions:

Initial discussion, starting here and continuing through the top of page 37.

Pyrite's appeal, sparking further discussion, the meat of which starts here and continues to halfway through the next page.

Now, on to my opinion, which I thought I'd already posted in the Restorations thread, but apparently not: I read the manga around the time it first came up for consideration (I have not watched the anime, nor have I gone back to read any chapters of the manga which have been put out since then), and I feel like it probably falls over into what we don't want. The Lotte-is-a-succubus isn't really an issue—it's made clear that she is still too young for sex, and their main motivation for bringing in a man at this point is to get her comfortable with them (as she can't stand them). However, there is a significant focus on panties in combination with the two girls (Lotte and the human girl whose name I don't remember) throughout the manga, ranging from panty-shots to the girls going without panties (you never really see anything, but if they're commando, it's mentioned) to discussions of panties. The girls apparently prefer not to wear underwear, so it comes up frequently as the adults try to enforce "you must wear underwear". While I think a certain degree of occurrence of panties can be innocent, it cropped up so often that it shifted the tone into something more sexual. As these are 8-year-olds (or so; don't remember the precise ages) we're talking about, I think the manga falls just into TV Tropes' definition of pedopandering.

edited 14th Feb '13 8:52:02 AM by Nocturna

 25 Septimus Heap, Thu, 14th Feb '13 9:03:48 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
Since tdgoodrich1 said he wanted to review the anime on his own, Crunchyroll link to the anime. Note the difference in name.

edited 14th Feb '13 9:04:50 AM by SeptimusHeap

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