Sengoku Rance - P5 only

Yes; the resolution is to "keep and clean". With that, I guess we're done... that is, unless someone else has any other tidbits of information that should be brought up?

Looks like I can lock.

Unlocked per request.

Thanks, Willbyr.

Regarding this work... yeah, this ain't gonna fly, fellas. (NSFW!)

...Think that was a moment of Rape as Drama, though.

As I said in the other thread, I had already decided to change my vote for Sengoku Rance to devil-head during my review of the franchise as a whole. If you're saying that you now think it should be cut, Komodin, than consider me a +1 for it.

How old was the chick that was raped?

It's not clear. Probably around twelve since Rance wishes she was three to five years older.

For what it's worth, I personally don't think that's supposed to be titillating or they'd have showed us an image other than that. Nevertheless, the work was already really questionable so I suppose there's not much point in really fighting it.

edited 22nd Jun '12 7:56:29 AM by Arha

Someone PM'd me and said the girl was 12. Rance apparently saves the girl and says that when she grows up, he'll give her his 'hyper weapon'. Pro: rape as drama; 'hero' saves girl Con: That's a naked 12 year old.

wrong age, sorry.

edited 22nd Jun '12 8:13:06 AM by animeg3282

And the con is basically a CON. No getting around that one.

Okay, I reflagged this work and gave it a devilhead. That... thing is just plain unacceptable.

Oddly enough, kids with semen on them is a big squick of mine that I just discovered in this forum.

And now you know.

G. I. JOOOEEEEEE!!!!!

edited 22nd Jun '12 8:34:56 AM by Pyrite

This is fucking ridiculous. The rape of Kou is a turning point for the game, and one of the major motivations for Rance's assault on the Demon Xavier. A lot of Rance games have disgusting moments like that accompanied with CG, not for the purpose of titilation but for the purpose of driving the sheer horror of that moment forward into the viewer's mind. Yes, Kouhime is 12, but that's why the whole scene is meant to be horrifying, the fact that a Demon inhabiting her brothers body would order her molestation until death is meant to represent how much control Xavier has over Nobunaga, who cherishes his little sister.

edited 22nd Jun '12 9:09:42 AM by ReadingSteiner

I'm sure it makes sense in context, and the work has its good points, but at the moment, the site would really prefer to not host works with that in them, regardless of the quality of the work.

Woah, that's getting deep for something with that pervert Rance in it.

I was just surprised at the depth of the motivation.

edited 22nd Jun '12 9:19:57 AM by animeg3282

Why would having a perverted protagonist prevent a series from being "deep"? Rance is an incredibly good series, boasting a superior lore to a majority of non-H titles. The fact that most of the people here won't even play the game, much less usually be interested in it is what irks me, because you have no right to say anything on the matter if you don't understand what the series is about.

See, here's the thing, if a work might fall under "porn" then being plot-important might save it. But if there's a 12 year old covered in semen, it's gone. There's nothing that can excuse that.

EDIT: On an unrelated note, this conversation need to end soon, before it ruins Pokemon Conquest for me. :/

edited 22nd Jun '12 9:20:10 AM by BadWolf21

Well then, shall we purge King's It?

That contains an underaged orgy involving many boys and a girl.

Shall we purge Nabokov's Lolita?

A novel about a pedophile and the kidnapping of an underaged girl, even the opening line "Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul." is terribly suggestive.

What about the 2005 movie, Mysterious Skin? That features sexual interaction between an underaged boy and his baseball coach.

You can't pick and choose what you wish to delete based on medium, all of these things depict content you people label unsavoury, so decide, do you plan to purge all offending content or not?

What does literary importance have to do with anything? You wish to cut Sengoku Rance, (A critically acclaimed part of the long standing and much loved Rance series), due to controversial content. But all three titles I listed have controversial content of the same vein. You say that It has only scene, that is true, but so does Sengoku Rance. Surely you can see the hypocrisy in your comment.

edited 22nd Jun '12 9:55:44 AM by ReadingSteiner

Lolita is one of the most important works of Western Literature. :( Also IT just has one scene.

I don't really want to cut Rance, I'm just saying that it does have a picture of a naked 12 year old in it.

edited 22nd Jun '12 10:44:06 AM by animeg3282

It is a judgment call on the part of the 5p and all of those works have been resolved to keep after review.

edited 22nd Jun '12 9:54:56 AM by Shadis

So, in the end, we've got yet another case of "It's repulsive, but it has some sort of purpose in the story" and "it's without its proper context, if you look at it from this angle...". Much like it has been from the start, whether it was over "Rance is a rapist" to "He's screwing girls that look underage" or...well, this.

...Well, frankly, I think Arha said it best; There's no real point in fighting it, not since this thing was already on the edge anyways. Let's just call it a day...

edited 22nd Jun '12 10:11:55 AM by Raidouthe21st

Don't even try to put Mysterious Skin on the level of this series. Last I checked, Sengoku Rance wasn't about the horrors of molestation.

However one of the reasons Mysterious Skin wasn't cut was due to it's heavily negative portrayal of pedophillia, the fact that it wasn't for titilation and that it explored negative repercussions. The Kouhime scene is a heavily negative portrayal of pedophillia, it's not for titilation and there are negative repercussions of the event later on in the plot (Kouhime develops a phobia of boys her age).

Oh and you're right, I won't hold something like Mysterious Skin as high as I would the Rance series.

edited 22nd Jun '12 10:47:18 AM by ReadingSteiner