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Nightmare Fuel cleanup:

Cause this needs to get done, and a couple of people working on +10, 000 wicks just won't cut it.

What needs to be done:

Add finished pages to the sandbox page so we can keep track.

The courtesy links to Related To pages and namespaces:

edited 7th Feb '13 9:30:58 AM by Willbyr

 676 Beary Scary, Wed, 22nd Aug '12 12:25:49 AM Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Stylishly Wiki Walking
[up]Alphabetization sounds awesome, actually. Can't we do that for the other NF media pages too?

 677 Doryna, Thu, 23rd Aug '12 12:10:00 AM from North Carolina Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Smells of Alcohol, Tacos, & Shame
[up] Way ahead of you. wink Anime, Comic Books, Literature, Live Action TV, and Western Animation are already in ABC order. Sort of slowly working our way though each set.

Speaking new pages: looking over the rest, NightmareFuel.Music and NightmareFuel.Film are the next two bigguns. Music's not too bad, actually, aside from the usual cleanup issues; perhaps each section should be alphabetized?

But Film? Ack. Ackackack. Seven folders of "Other Films." Should we need to break them down by genre? Just straight up alphabetize? Any ideas would be great.

edited 23rd Aug '12 12:39:00 AM by Doryna

 678 ccoa, Thu, 23rd Aug '12 6:21:29 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Genre is probably the best organizer. But the hardest. Bleh.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 679 lu 127, Thu, 23rd Aug '12 8:45:36 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Indeed. sad

Did Disney. Not too bad, only too much Weblinks Are Not Examples and Zero Context Examples.
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 680 Beary Scary, Thu, 23rd Aug '12 5:33:39 PM Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Stylishly Wiki Walking
For Film, sorting by genre probably makes the most sense... And then those examples could be alphabetized within the folders.

I propose an addendum to the Example Lobotomy's written guidelines, on the grounds of not reducing a page's quality based on a blanket rule.

  • Italics and bold are acceptable when directly quoting print medium.
  • Italics and bold are acceptable when grammatically required, as in the case of onomatopoeia.
  • Bold is acceptable when it is required during a transcript.
—>A Troper: This is an example
  • Italics are acceptable for foreign languages, like Latin.

Generally, these are where you'd find them being used in a professional essay, and I would wager no one would object to seeing them on a page, unless they were following the guidelines literally. Perhaps, in the template, a link to an Administrivia page, detailing when "'"s are acceptable and when not, is in order.

As for why I suggested it, it was during a cleanup of Nightmare Fuel/Minecraft. I found the current warning label to be intimidating, as if I was being encouraged not to edit. It was actually a very silly thing that brought this to my attention; the word TWANG caught my eye as I was editing. I thought to myself, should I let it stand, or delete it based on guidelines?

Anyway, not a demand, not an angry letter, just suggesting that we be more specific and, in a way, forgiving of our little friend, the apostrophe.

[awesome]tl;dr The guidelines deserve their own page, and less blanket bans.[awesome]

PS: I've done from Minecraft to No More Heroes and am going strong, though spoilers I am not familiar with, or don't know how long they've been around, have been left untouched.

edited 23rd Aug '12 9:42:04 PM by SimplySimple

Yes, I hate the new wiki, too. Who doesn't?
 682 Doryna, Thu, 23rd Aug '12 10:13:25 PM from North Carolina Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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[up] Those are reasonable. The idea of the italics (and bolding) strictness is to prevent random italics for overemphasis in examples (e.g. "And then he smashed his face in with a hammer!'')

I think there was a discussion somewhere in this thread for making a guideline page for "Example Lobotomy", but I don't think it went anywhere. Maybe now that many pages have been cleaned, and we'd like to keep them that way, something more formal could we worked on?

 683 Septimus Heap, Fri, 24th Aug '12 8:28:52 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I don't think it was a guideline, more like a Wiki Trope. Probably better a matter of YKTTW, I'd say.

 684 Doryna, Tue, 28th Aug '12 9:40:33 PM from North Carolina Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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NightmareFuel.Film has now been organized by genre, and alphabetized within each section. As always, someone checking up behind me would be lovely. Apologies in advance if I misplaced something in a genre; I did my best, but some movies are frustratingly hard to find clear info on, even here.

I will say ahead of time I ended up removing an epic ton of Zero Context Examples, Quotes As Examples, and Web Link Examples from it, so if anyone complains I took something out, one of those reasons is likely why. There were a few examples that were split on to their own pages or moved to a more appropriate NF page, but not nearly as many as usual.

edited 28th Aug '12 9:46:43 PM by Doryna

 685 Doryna, Sun, 2nd Sep '12 8:36:13 PM from North Carolina Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Smells of Alcohol, Tacos, & Shame
Working on NightmareFuel.Music now, and I'd like some input. The page was already separated by genre, but towards the bottom of the page are folders for soundtracks for movies, TV, video games, etc. In the course of cleaning NightmareFuel.Film, NightmareFuel.Live Action TV, and so on, I've noticed those also had mentions of music or soundtrack as a common cause of Nightmare Fuel.

Should I move those examples to Film, Live Action TV, and so on, or should those sections remain on the Music page?

 686 ccoa, Tue, 4th Sep '12 12:10:34 PM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Tough question.

I'd say move them to Film, Live Action TV, etc. since they're part of the whole package.

edited 4th Sep '12 12:10:43 PM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 687 Beary Scary, Fri, 7th Sep '12 1:31:23 AM Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Stylishly Wiki Walking
I would suggest if there are enough examples, three or more, you could put examples of Live Action and Film soundtracks being NF under their own subfolders.

 688 Antwan, Sat, 8th Sep '12 9:13:03 PM from Washington
Ramblin' Mushroom
@lu127 - The Disney one wasn't too bad because I cleaned it up before. It looked so horrible that it broke my heart... I just had to fix things up. There were a lot of examples that were out of order and were not in their own pages.

It's nice to see that this is getting a good cleaning instead of having all examples removed. I can understand ANF being removed since we can't say for sure on the intention of a work. NF being gone for good would've made me teary-eyed.

So what are we trying to remove exactly? Spoiler text? Unnecessary formatting?

edited 8th Sep '12 9:16:07 PM by Antwan

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 689 Doryna, Sun, 9th Sep '12 1:01:39 PM from North Carolina Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Smells of Alcohol, Tacos, & Shame
[up]For the big general media pages, examples get cleaned by:
  • Removing unneeded italics/bolding/ellipses.
  • Getting rid of natter, in-page discussion, and This Troper.
  • Fixing the indention.
  • Moving works with lots of examples to their own Nightmare Fuel page and indexing it.
  • Sorting and alphabetizing the remaining examples by work.

For the individual works Nightmare Fuel pages, just the first three points. Getting rid of spoiler tags on those is also quite acceptable.

 690 Doryna, Thu, 20th Sep '12 9:17:20 PM from North Carolina Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Smells of Alcohol, Tacos, & Shame
Need some help: the main page for Half-Life is not matching up with the Nightmare Fuel page, NightmareFuel.Half Life, because the former has a dash in the title and the latter does not. I know dashes do funky things to the titles/namespace sometimes, so what's the best way to fix this one?

edited 20th Sep '12 9:19:29 PM by Doryna

 691 lu 127, Fri, 21st Sep '12 3:11:45 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Recreate the page at NightmareFuel.Half-Life and turn NightmareFuel.Half Life as a redirect.
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 692 Doryna, Fri, 21st Sep '12 2:12:30 PM from North Carolina Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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Done and done. Thanks!

 693 Beary Scary, Mon, 1st Oct '12 10:48:31 PM Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Stylishly Wiki Walking
Just dropped by to say that NightmareFuel.Music Videos needs some work. It has links outside of brackets, lots of tropers referring to themselves in the first person, and borderline Forum Mode. I don't have time to fix them right now, so consider this a heads-up to anyone else who's wondering whether or not NF still needs more cleaning up.

 694 Septimus Heap, Tue, 2nd Oct '12 9:38:51 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Hacked at it, but it will need some more Zero-Context Example and weblink cleanup.

 695 Doryna, Tue, 2nd Oct '12 2:30:42 PM from North Carolina Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Smells of Alcohol, Tacos, & Shame
It could probably stand to be alphabetized by artist, too, if just to keep redundant entries from occurring.

I'm probably taking a break from Nightmare Fuel when I'm done with the Music page just because me going back to school has become a factor, but if it's still there when I get less busy, I'll take a look at it.

ETA: Speaking of which, Music is DONE. Ack. As always, someone checking after me would be appreciated. Especially as some artists were really hard to find genre info on; I did my best, but I'm sure there are a few misplaced entries.

edited 2nd Oct '12 3:03:46 PM by Doryna

 696 Willbyr, Thu, 18th Oct '12 2:09:38 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
 697 Doryna, Tue, 23rd Oct '12 10:11:54 PM from North Carolina Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Smells of Alcohol, Tacos, & Shame
NightmareFuel.Music Videos is alphabetized and cleaned for the most part; all of the first-person bits and the weird formatting is gone. Again, there were a lot of Zero Context, link-only, and broken link examples, so unless I happened to be familiar with the video already, those were stripped out.

I do need some help checking if the existing links to videos work. I'm not watching all of those on my own...for the love of God, I need to be able to get to sleep at night.

edited 23rd Oct '12 10:12:07 PM by Doryna

Okay, Nightmare fuel vanity plates is FILLED with This Troper. can someone clean it up? here's a link: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NightmareFuel/VanityPlates

 699 Septimus Heap, Tue, 27th Nov '12 10:13:46 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Burned it a bit.

 700 bwburke 94, Tue, 27th Nov '12 11:05:54 PM from Massachusetts Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Been here since 2009.
Since HONF is dead, there's no reason to keep anything in that namespace whatsoever. Not even as redirects, since HONF had a different definition than current NF does. Is a mass cutting spree in order?
I'd define "procrastination", but I'd rather do it later.
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