Okay, sorry for the wall, but sometimes you just need some comic relief
. Back on topic...
First things first: it's good to see there is
a Wiki Headlines warning this time. It would have been better if the same happened for Accidental Nightmare Fuel
, but, as people say, by now the damage's already been done.
Sorry for the rushed writing style, but I'm going out today in order to visit my grandparents. That said...
Two weeks ago, I PM'd Fast Eddie himself about an ambitious premise of mine: I outright asked him, "please de-lock a page and I'll clean it up myself. If needed, I'll do the cleanup for the entire NF namespace by myself, because if what happened was because 'nobody cared about it', this means it's also my fault, and I want to make amends for that".
His response was what to be expected from a Reasonable Authority Figure
: "plate's full right now, ping me in about a week and we'll see what we can do".
Timeskip to last tuesday, when I sent him a PM explaining my "plan" in detail. To date, he still hasn't answered, but given all of his duties, I can understand him. Also, on a slightly unrelated note, following my editing suspension I've started warming up to the Permanent Red Link Club
and - by extension - Naughty Tentacles
joining it after reading The Second Google Incident
. I suggest reading that to all the tropers who, like me, think of the site's changes as something awful when, in fact, it's actually a need of this wiki - regardless of the "risk" of approaching Wikipedia's "Serious Business
After this introductory paragraph, given my aforementioned hurry, I'm posting here the PM I sent to Fast Eddie in order for all of you to consider the possibility of a less radical option than Example Sectionectomy
, nicknamed in said PM as "Example Lobotomy".
Have a good reading, everyone, and remember - feedback (either negative or positive) is greatly
PING! (It's been a week!)
Hi there! I've chatted with you a week ago about what to do with the Nightmare Fuel namespace, and you told me to "ping you in a week", and so I did.
First things first: I owe you a big hug for the Wayback Machine back when you suggested it to me. It took a while for me to get a hang of it, but once I did, boy, did that site ever do wonders
for me. It should deserve an article. I might kick-start it as well.
About Nightmare Fuel, sorry. I know that asking you "could we put it back, pretty please?" straight away, as soon as I found out about the Example Sectionectomy
could have been either hasty, pretentious, or both at once, so much, that asking this in Ask The Troper got me suspended for four days. That's why I'm apologising about doing it right now. For what it's worth, I'm not complaining about the site's changes anymore (gotta update my contributor's page about that pretty soon) after I've read about The Second Google Incident
. Good thing I read that before whining, "where are my Naughty Tentacles
?". And by that, I meant the article, not the tentacles themselves.
However, if my calculations are correct, de-redlinking any Nightmare Fuel tab would do the same for all of them: when I looked for a cached version of the Nightmare Fuel page for Pokémon
, searching "Isn't Lavender Town a wonderful little place?" (the caption for that page image) resulted in said sentence popping out among Google's results despite that article's page history having apparently been wiped out. Now, I'm not a genius at how Wikis work, but my guess is that NF pages have simply been made unaccessible.
However, as for that idea of mine I had, well, I may write down here an example of how it works... a "sample", if you will. Sorry for this being essentially a YKTTW
aimed directly at you, but I just wanted to share this plan with you, especially considering it might work.
This is what happens when examples on a given page are too much of a mess
, but in the meanwhile, Example Sectionectomy
proves to be too much of a radical choice. The best thing to do would be a solution placed somewhere in the middle. In other words, if we have problematic "moments" pages (any given variant
), or even nattery examples on this or that article, we should do a massive cleanup, but in a subtler way: namely, "sucking the excessive emotion out of examples", resulting in the examples simply being... facts, as they are.
That is, rewriting examples with the same writing style as Wikipedia. If done right, this method can save a lot of examples from getting sectionectized
, in that the somber writing style of examples can also inspire newer edits in doing the same.
This doesn't mean spoiler tags can be removed: listing facts is one thing, listing spoileriffic facts without hiding them is another. Spoiler policy, with Example Lobotomy, is to be determined on a case-by-case basis.
The only kind of page exempt from this rule is Crowning Music of Awesome
: removing the gushing from such examples detracts from their value, considering that while it's up to the reader to think if a Moment Of Awesome
is awesome or not, the fact this is music we're talking about needs the reader to be aware of what's so "awesome" about it.
Example Lobotomy does not tolerate Zero Context Examples
of any kind: unless they're backed up by some outside links, simply listing a trope or a name without providing the context will only result in said line being zapped
Also, italics are restricted to works' titles only and do not apply to other text, no matter how much emphasis
the former editors wanted to give on whatever they said.
Contrast Example Sectionectomy
, where the examples just aren't salvageable even with this method.
Example of Example Lobotomy at work:
(excerpt of the Nightmare Fuel tab of Sonic the Hedgehog
Original version: "So I was the only person unsettled by that horrifying cutscene of Perfect Chaos when he first spawns out of the skyscraper - IN REALISTIC 3D - and just roars at you? It's worse in the DX version, arguably, because this is a part of the cinematic that starts every time you play; complete with flashes of lava flows, close-ups of Perfect Chaos, inverted-colour images and lightning strikes. Needless to say, I was terrified as a kid. It still unsettles me now."
Lobotomised version: "Perfect Chaos, Final Boss of the first Sonic Adventure, in the cutscene where he first spawns out of the skyscraper, in realistic 3D and roars at the player. The DX version takes it further by having said scene as part of the game's opening cinematic, with the addition of lava flows, close-up of the creature, inverted-colour images and lightning strikes."
There, that's what I have in mind if we can save the NF namespace; and even if we can't, well, the Example Lobotomy still seems a good weapon against natter to me. Needless to say, if NF can be saved, I'm willing to do the whole cleanup thing by myself, article by article, as I told you one week ago. It will take a while, but if I can do a favor to the tropers, those missing old features and the more "serious" ones alike, if I can make the community happy, well, tell me what page I'll have to... eh, fix, and I'll do it.
I hope this whole Wall of Text
didn't come off as either irritating, annoying or just plain unwanted. My intentions are for the best here, and it's been all in good faith.
See you, Ed.