Not Thriving: Screw The Rules I Have A Nuke get usage counts

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Some nights I rule the world...
Despite the title, this trope more or less about abusing violent force to get what you want. This seems like a pretty widespread trope, but it's only linked to in 57 articles and has only 38 inbounds.

Might I suggest a rename to Screw The Rules I Have Power, or something akin to it? Something tells me the title referring to something specific might have something to do with its problem.
"If you're out here why do I miss you so much?"
My idea: Screw the rules, I have a superweapon (or ...I can destroy you, or ...you can't fight me)
How about "Screw the Rules, I Can Kick Your Ass?"
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Agreed, the trope name makes it feels like the trope should be about having a super weapon (IE the Death Star or a really big bomb) so you can do what ever you want instead of being stronger then everyone else and enforcing your will through violence. My suggestion is "Screw the Rules, I have Power" then dividing the examples into two categories. Category one would involve super weapons (such as the Death Star or really big bombs) then category two would involve more conventional means (such as Rome and it's armies).

6 lu1278th Jun 2012 02:00:38 PM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Crowner hooked.
There's little reason to keep the snowclone if we want to rename this.
Voting against the rename just because there aren't any good suggestions yet. If the best we can do is yet another snowclone, than it isn't worth it.
9 SeptimusHeap8th Jun 2012 03:03:00 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Rules Overriding Power? Or something similar?
Might Makes Right? Right in the Laconic.
  • Oops: It's an index for this trope, but this trope isn't indexed to it?

edited 8th Jun '12 4:08:26 PM by spacemarine50

11 ccoa23rd Jul 2012 01:28:41 PM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Bumping for votes.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
12 Xtifr23rd Jul 2012 01:51:40 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
'...this is known as the "Argumentum ad Baculum" or the Appeal to Force , whose logic goes essentially thus: "I'm right, and if you disagree, I beat you up."...'

If this is supposed to be about the logical fallacy, which is what the description is suggesting here, we might want to simply call it Appeal to Force. Or at least use that as a starting place for brainstorming.

(If it's not supposed to be about the logical fallacy, we might want to edit the description just a tad.)

eta: Hmm, Appeal to Force is a blue-link...not quite sure what that is at the other end of the link, though. May need further investigation.

edited 23rd Jul '12 1:53:04 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
13 ccoa27th Jul 2012 10:35:35 AM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Calling crowner in favor of renaming.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
14 Xtifr27th Jul 2012 05:59:29 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Should we maybe just merge it into the existing Appeal to Force page? I'm having a hard time seeing the difference, and I'm pretty sure that technically counts as a rename (since we only had a single-prop crowner).
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
Appeal to Force isn't in a good state right now. Might need a thread here. Hold off on that idea.

edited 27th Jul '12 11:16:29 PM by spacemarine50

17 ccoa21st Sep 2012 11:15:28 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Are we going to do anything here, or does this need to be shelved?
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
18 Xtifr21st Sep 2012 02:00:29 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
I think the name is very misleading, and the underuse argument is strong. This is a very common trope. We could have a rename crowner while we decide what happens with the Appeal to Force page.

(I'm starting to think that it might be too confusing to have a Useful Notes page and an actual trope share the same name, but we can deal with that once we decide for sure whether this should be renamed.)
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
[up]Appeal to Force reads like Useful Notes so maybe it should be Analysis.

Anyway, 'I have a nuke' makes this trope sound more specific than it is. Unless it actually IS about nukes it should be renamed to something more inclusive. Personally I like Screw The Rules I Have A Bigger Stick because it relates to the Bigger Stick trope but that makes it a double snowclone

edited 22nd Sep '12 10:04:13 AM by ChaoticNovelist

20 Xtifr24th Sep 2012 01:11:23 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]Not only a double-snowclone, but far too long.

I don't know. It might be best to have all our Useful Notes pages on logical fallacies be consistent. Maybe the path of least resistance is calling this something else. Maybe something like Might Wins Arguments?
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
[up] More concise, but it sounds similar to Might Makes Right.
Wouldn't this work more as in index since we have tropes for specific ways of getting things with force? Ballistic Discount for example.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
  • Bump
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
24 Cider24th Oct 2012 12:59:48 PM from Not New York , Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
Fifty seven wicks is hardly a cause for alarm considering the minimum is fourteen. If you think there should be more examples take it to Special Efforts or Trope Talk. This page does not need repairing.
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
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Single Proposition: Screw The Rules I Have A Nuke
8th Jun '12 11:46:48 AM
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