Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 23th February 2015):

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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. If it's really bad, the entire section may have to be removed. But hey, if someone feels like cleaning it up, it might be saved.

If you think an article should be filed under No Real Life Examples, Please!, then this thread is the place to discuss it. State the reasons and add it to the crowner.

edited 10th Nov '14 7:30:06 AM by SeptimusHeap

1951 Candi18th Oct 2013 12:50:22 PM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Archive Bingeing
Check out Fighteer's post 1945 in this thread. It's probably the clearest analysis of that pretend-to-be-a-trope mess that's possible.
Your experiences aren't universal, your preferences aren't universal, and your opinions don't trump anyone else's just because they're
I think the point of Pretty Boy as a trope is to gush about actors. Gushing about people that aren't actors doesn't seem that strange in the context of the trope. Maybe the whole trope needs to go?
1953 Ultimatum18th Oct 2013 04:56:39 PM from The Amiga forest , Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
1954 XFllo18th Oct 2013 06:48:30 PM from Prague , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
[up][up] Whoa, careful with that, that's one of the oldest tropes in the book. It's a valid trope with examples from mythology. Why would this need to be cut?

It's misused and could use TRS, but cut it? No.

edited 19th Oct '13 3:41:06 PM by XFllo

1955 Candi18th Oct 2013 10:27:29 PM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Archive Bingeing
Apollo was a Pretty Boy. So was Narcissus. I could probably dig up half a dozen other legendary or mythological examples from before the Renaissance if I bothered.

It might need a TRS or Example Repair/Removal Work, but no cutting. Cutting where tropes are involved mean they can not -cannot- be saved. At all. Those are usually ones posted without going through YKTTW and just tossed up, like Hyper Mode a few weeks back. (It was Same, but More, and had only two examples, which those familiar with the works said at least one was wrong.)

Broken Ace: It's literally half a villain trope, and it's real life section... well, it needs work. At the very least the general examples need booting, plus there's the discussion/wall of text on Hollywood stars that seem to be doing great, then bam!

Tyra Banks is mentioned, and her description seems to point to type 1. (RL person probably called a villain). Patton's entry is arguing (and I'm not touching that one -cautious editing). Tiger Woods seems more of a fallen hero then a broken ace.

Hamilton, Walker, Jackson, Hemingway might qualify for type 2.

edited 18th Oct '13 10:49:03 PM by Candi

Your experiences aren't universal, your preferences aren't universal, and your opinions don't trump anyone else's just because they're
1956 SmytheOrdo19th Oct 2013 12:03:38 AM from In The Mountains , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
Right Wing Militia Fanatic is a double NRLEP. Has quite a bit of natter, a villain trope,, and a political trope.
For anyone feeling the feels, PM box is open.
1957 SeptimusHeap19th Oct 2013 03:31:57 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Pretty Boy needs the contextless RL examples excised - the only examples I would consider worth noting there are for actors that often play them. As for @1952, that's just wrong.

Right Wing Militia Fanatic: Eh, I could go either way.

1958 HersheleOstropoler19th Oct 2013 02:13:47 PM from BK.NY.US , Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
May as well declare Russia Iran Disco Suck called, now that it's been cut entirely.

ETA: Changed my vote on Right Wing Militia Fanatic, it's a bit off-topic, but as long as it's kept to
  • organizations
  • that are overtly and explicitly within the trope
I think it can stay, though the trope itself may need clarification.

That said, I can't say I'd miss the RL section all that much if it were lopped off.

edited 19th Oct '13 2:20:04 PM by HersheleOstropoler

The child is father to the manOedipus
1959 nrjxll19th Oct 2013 02:43:37 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
Thought I posted this already, but while I could maybe see a case being made for Right Wing Militia Fanatic keeping its section if the problems were only hypothetical, there's already tons of natter.
ValuesDissonance.Real Life is a long, long long list of things that are judged differently between different places or time periods. As with all Values Dissonance example pages, Conversation in the Main Page abounds. Demonstration of relevance in fiction, media or storytelling: None.

I suggest a cut. A list of cultural value differences between any two places or time periods on the planet not only has by its nature the potential to grow infinitely, it also has nothing to do with the wiki's mission.

As a side note, many of the entries are not actually instances of Values Dissonance, but Cross-Cultural Kerfluffle (or occasionally Cross Temporal Kerfluffle, if we had such a trope). For example, that swastikas evoke different associations post-Nazis than they did pre-Nazis, or that they continue to be considered symbols of luck in India even today, is not evidence of Values Dissonance.
It's perfectly possible to admire building a cannon to destroy the moon, whilst lamenting the act of destruction.
[up] I'd be okay with cutting it. Reading the description, it seems to be specifically about how tropes in media can cause issues across cultures, times, backgrounds, etc, because values are not universal. So, we don't need a whole page about exactly how values are not universal.
My alignment is Chaotic Cute.
1962 Fighteer20th Oct 2013 08:17:09 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Values Dissonance is inherently a media-only concept. Listing RL examples is utterly wrong. I'm willing to mod fiat this if it doesn't get properly voted up.

edited 20th Oct '13 8:17:19 AM by Fighteer

1963 SmytheOrdo20th Oct 2013 07:58:38 PM from In The Mountains , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
I actually find that one pretty interesting and not very flame-y, so vote down.
For anyone feeling the feels, PM box is open.
1964 Nohbody20th Oct 2013 08:15:28 PM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Calling Pretty Boy - Added 17th Oct '13 at 05:19:43 PM, 13:1 (14)
Color Me Black

Example was added about George Zimmerman. Race being a factor is something that will rage on for years (the judge specifically barred the use of the term "racially profiled Trayvon Martin") and being in the article serves as flame bait.
1966 Sachiko21st Oct 2013 12:15:36 PM from Madrid, Spain , Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Moe moe killing machine
Today I went to have my mouth cleaned, and out of curiosity looked around to see if there were tropes about dentists. I found that Depraved Dentist had Real Life examples.

Needless to say, I added it to the crowner. Calling dentists sadists that enjoy causing pain to their patients is a no no in This Wiki.
"Suffer a vicious person and you will fear vice. Suffer a virtuous one and you will soon loathe virtue itself."

Tony Duvert
1967 nrjxll21st Oct 2013 01:35:07 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
Stupid Sacrifice has a Real Life section containing one incorrect example, and it's kind of an insulting trope to apply to real people anyway. Should it be cut?
1968 SeptimusHeap21st Oct 2013 01:38:52 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Strangely, there is already a NRLEP tag, but not in the source.

Also, a question pertinent to this topic - shall we go through all pages that link No Real Life Examples, Please! and replace their ontext mentions with the [[noreallife]] tag? I would say so, since it's an editor note (even if it becomes only on-page this way).
1969 Fighteer21st Oct 2013 02:44:45 PM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Was Berserk Button ever judged in this thread? It has an entire RL page about how people are reputed to go off at the drop of a hat, despite us supposedly not troping RL people.
1970 Ultimatum21st Oct 2013 02:48:48 PM from The Amiga forest , Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
It even has a politics section. I say cut BerserkButton.Real Life.

EDIT PS

BTW, in case no one noticed, someone added Depraved Dentist to the crowner. I also support cutting that Real Life section.

edited 21st Oct '13 2:53:49 PM by Catbert

1972 Fighteer21st Oct 2013 03:14:24 PM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
1973 Candi21st Oct 2013 04:45:19 PM from Closer to rimward then hubward. , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Archive Bingeing
Any thoughts on Broken Ace in post1955?
Your experiences aren't universal, your preferences aren't universal, and your opinions don't trump anyone else's just because they're
1974 HersheleOstropoler21st Oct 2013 05:40:22 PM from BK.NY.US , Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
1968: I don't know about replacing, unless such warnings are considered too much wiki inside baseball to be shown to the casual reader. I'd rather let people who are about to hit the edit button know not to bother than for them to find out only after the fact.
The child is father to the manOedipus
Seeking for Light
I believe Eddie has categorically stated in the past that instructions geared towards editors, which NRLEP falls under, are not supposed to be visible to casual readers, which makes the edit screen the only place to put them. (Hm... it would be nice if we could get a code that would display the marked text only if the reader is logged in... maybe I'll start a tech wishlist thread for that.)

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23rd Feb '15 10:39:06 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
These are pages that have been proposed to have their Real Life sections cut and tagged to not be recreated.

Vote UP to indicate you think the Page should have NO Real Life examples.

Vote DOWN to allow Real Life examples.

Items that have been stricken (like so) have already been decided, with ten or more total votes, more than 48 hours on the crowner, and at least a 2:1 yes/no ratio. No further voting is needed on those items.

To check if something has already been voted on, please see Keep Real Life Examples.

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