Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 4 February 2018):

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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. If it's really bad, the entire section may have to be removed. But hey, if someone feels like cleaning it up, it might be saved.

If you think an article should be filed under No Real Life Examples, Please!, then this thread is the place to discuss it. State the reasons and add it to the crowner.

edited 29th Nov '16 9:27:01 AM by Madrugada

Definitely not a weirdo
So, what are we looking for before we call a page?
27 Deboss23rd Apr 2012 10:11:02 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I'm not asking to add entire indices. I guess what I'm asking for is to move those types of tropes into a slightly different category where No Real Life Examples, Please! has the same sort of probationary standard as Real Life sections over all.
I think Unwanted False Faith, God Guise, Stop Worshipping Me, and similar "X religion is objectively FALSE" tropes should not have Real Life sections, and should be on NRLEP, because they invite accusations that real religions are false/wrong. There may be real religious movements for which there is historical evidence that the founder was a liar or unwilling, but TV Tropes is not a place that can research and present such evidence objectively and fairly. Also, such tropes often rely on outside (authorial) statements that the religion is false, which we don't have in Real Life.

edited 23rd Apr '12 11:16:45 PM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
29 videogmer31423rd Apr 2012 11:22:54 PM from that one place , Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
[up] I added all three of those to the crowner. I don't know of any other such "religion X is false" tropes, though, so you'll have to add them yourself.
Following the TRS thread on Rich Bitch, I went through The Jerk Index to see if there was anything that needed to be here. Most of them were either No Real Life Examples, Please!, or the Real Life section had generic examples, studies and writings about the subject, or backed up by actual facts, so I didn't see a need to add them here.

JerkWithAHeartOfGold.Others does have a lot of Real Life examples, but they're ultimately about highlighting the good they do, so I think it's okay to have them there. There are still a few examples with no context that needs it, though.

edited 24th Apr '12 6:44:32 AM by Feather7603

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.
Added Starfish Language. "Any language will seem like this to a native speaker of an unrelated language family, and often even to those who speak a related language. Languages are unique little snowflakes." That should be enough to discard the Real Life examples (NOT the constructed language examples!). The whole list has an annoying "Check out how weird/difficult the language I'm studying is !" vibe over it.

EDIT: Also, Rescued from the Scrappy Heap. We can't have Real Life Scrappies, having this one makes no sense.

edited 24th Apr '12 7:25:48 AM by Fresison

[up]I'm gonna have to agree with that. I'm not personally offended (I thought "Swedish is slightly tonal, as if it weren't unpronounceable enough already" was actually kinda funny), but I don't really think they fit the trope. They're not incomprehensible languages (even sign language to a blind person, as there are touch-based sign languages), and not even bizarre once you learn just a few things about them. I mean, I thought Nahuatl sounds rather bizarre and incomprehensible, but once I learned a few words and syntax rules, it made a lot more sense, even if I can't understand more than, well, a few words.

edited 24th Apr '12 6:58:49 AM by Feather7603

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.
33 Michael24th Apr 2012 08:13:35 AM , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
So that's what this does
How about Manipulative Bastard? If nothing else I think that you could cut it by 75% by putting in an example of "Most politicians are seen this way at some point in their careers"

Edit: At a count that section lists 12 politicians and three others (people who work with children, cats and plants)

edited 24th Apr '12 8:16:13 AM by Michael

34 HersheleOstropoler24th Apr 2012 08:27:19 AM from BK.NY.US , Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Rescued from the Scrappy Heap is on the crowner but I don't see a post. What's wrong with its real life section?
The child is father to the manOedipus
[up][up]I think that one's okay if we clean everything post-WWI, or 1950 or something like that. While it's about manipulators, it's still about those who're very good at it, so I don't think it's all that insulting.

[up]Not sure. It's about people who were once impopular but who gained respect back. I deleted an exception. Those we don't need.

edited 24th Apr '12 9:01:48 AM by Feather7603

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.
I added Rescued from the Scrappy Heap. I figured, if we can't talk about Real Life scrappies, there's no point in describing how they can stop being scrappies.

There's not much complaining though, it's maybe unnecessary.
Some time ago, I suggested to make Proud Merchant Race and Proud Scholar Race No Real Life Examples, Please!, following the example of Proud Warrior Race (discussion here). Maddy approved, but I didn't do anything then.

Now that we have this thread, I added them two tropes to the crowner.

edited 24th Apr '12 1:02:38 PM by LordGro

Let's just say and leave it at that.
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So, uh... Jesus Christ. Snuff Film has real life examples, cataloged by date, with links to videos. It has a caution warning, but still, WTF? I don't even think we need a crowner; this needs to go now.
We're not just men of science, we're men of TROPE!
40 SeptimusHeap24th Apr 2012 03:15:34 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
The Cat Mod already deleted it, you meansmile
Definitely not a weirdo
So, how many votes are we looking for before we call a page? I know I've asked this a few times, but I have yet to get an answer. I'm more than willing to deal with some of these as soon as possible, but I just want to know when I am supposed to do it.
42 SeptimusHeap24th Apr 2012 03:24:49 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
[up]All the threads that use one crowner to vote on various things that are independent from each other use a 2/1, at least 10 votes criterion.
44 Deboss24th Apr 2012 05:39:47 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Idea: instead of making a new crowner all the time, we edit the crowner and put a "already voted, changed accordingly" notice in it, link to a screen shot or some such, and then everybody switches their vote to down so it's out of the way.
Definitely not a weirdo
Added Cult just because peoples opinions on what is a cult and what is a legitimate religion can vary, and we might prefer to avoid that discussion. I'm not entirely convinced that it needs to go, but it definitely needs to be brought up.
46 HersheleOstropoler24th Apr 2012 06:30:25 PM from BK.NY.US , Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Not even sure we need a page on snuff films, especially now, except possibly as a Useful Note.

I amended the crowner to clarify what we're going for here; we're not (at least, I'm not) trying to get rid of Real Life sections entirely.
The child is father to the manOedipus
So do we all change our votes to Down on the concluded pages?

Also, I want to nominate the following:

edited 24th Apr '12 6:42:59 PM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
48 Nohbody24th Apr 2012 10:49:31 PM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
Arcade, no need to change votes on the decided tropes, with the strikethrough being used on those already finished.

(Edited the poll header to reflect the strikethrough thing.)

edited 24th Apr '12 10:51:48 PM by Nohbody

But the open ones can get lost or go unnoticed among the finished ones.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
50 Nohbody25th Apr 2012 09:47:50 AM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
^ Hmm. I didn't think about that issue.

Perhaps entirely removing from voting (if possible, never looked at the editing mechanism before) the ones already decided, and post them in the OP of the thread so they're not re-nominated?

Page Action: Real Life Section Maintenance 54
4th Feb '18 11:35:26 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
These are pages that have been proposed to have their Real Life sections cut and tagged to not be recreated. Please discuss pages before adding them to the crowner. Entries made without discussion are subject to deletion.

Vote UP to indicate you think the Page should have NO Real Life examples.

Vote DOWN to allow Real Life examples.

Items that have been stricken (like so) have already been decided, meeting the following requirements:
  • They have ten or more total votes,
  • have been on the crowner for at least 48 hours, measured from when the addition of the new crowner entry is announced in a thread post,
  • and are stable with at least a 2:1 vote ratio.

No further voting is needed on those items.

To check if something has already been voted on, please see Keep Real Life Examples.

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