Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
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- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
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- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Lost in Space
I agree. The narrative requirements for Uncoffee automatically preclude any RL situation that we are currently capable of documenting.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
No, the other one.
I think that's a too narrow interpretation of the trope.
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Uncoffee looks like "it's not coffee, but it's similar and preforms the same function" to me.
The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
Voted down Uncoffee - seems like a case of Tropes Are Not Narrow.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
No, the other one.
What's the difference between a coffee-like drink on Earth and one in an alien setting?
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The way I see it, Uncoffee is supposed to be about the bizarre tendency of speculative fiction writers to replace coffee with something that fulfills an identical role and may even be named similarly, but isn't actually called coffee. So a coffee-like beverage that explicitly coexists with real coffee shouldn't really count. However, current precedents say it would, so while (like I said before) I think the trope really ought to be narrowed, as it stands the real life examples aren't shoehorns.
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Coffee exists on Earth.
Lost in Space
I'm looking at Uncoffee's real life section now.
The first example violates our rules about general examples and should be removed.
The second one is about people searching for coffee substitutes because of the temporary (in this case, war-embargoed) unavailability of the real thing. It fits the spirit if not the letter of the trope. The examples about World War Two and post-war Germany also seem to be a case of shortages causing people to adopt substitutes. It seems like these could be lumped together in an Analysis subpage.
The example about Frederick The Great is just faffing about; it has nothing to do with the trope. The American Revolution example is about tea, not coffee, and they were boycotting it anyway so it's not the spirit or the letter of the trope. The Postum example is also invalid: it's a matter of preference, not a substitute adopted by necessity due to the shortage of the original.
This would leave the section empty, so even if we don't NRLEP it, it would seem that there are no valid examples.
edited 23rd Oct '14 7:28:34 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
No, the other one.
Which is still true if Earth exists in a sci-fi setting.
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Nobody Over 50 Is Gay could also be too common.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Could we re-add the reasons on the No Real Life Examples Please page and divide the folders into subpages? I understand they were removed to help with length, but I feel that the reasons are important and leaving them off comes off as "because I said so, now stop asking." The ones that are impossible to apply in real life wouldn't need it. What does everyone think?
(Just to clarify, I don't think that coming off as condescending was in any way the intention, it's just the way it comes across.)
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Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
Muggles Do It Better needs to be looked at. RL examples on a trope impossible in Real Life.
Keeper of The Celestial Flame
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Agreed.
The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
IMO — and my voting reflects this — tropes thqat are impossible in real life sometimes do need to be NRLEP, but generally only if there have in the past been RL examples.
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
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Muggles Do It Better has an RL section, which, IMO, can be cut as shoehorning.
The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
Zzzzzzzzzz
Ehhhh, I don't know about shoehorning or "impossible in Real Life". The examples there are all of people who genuinely believed in magic and expected it to work. It's only the trope from their point of view, true, but ... I don't know...
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Sorcerer in training
Wouldn't "the trope from their point of view" count as a form of Troper Tale?
Love the horse/alien/Cthulhu avatar, Madrugada 
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I agree with Candi.
Also, that avatar looks like a Ponified Mind Flayer.
Zzzzzzzzzz
It's not a Troper Tale, because it's not tropers saying "This one time at band camp, I...". Troper Tales hinge on "I'm going to say I did this, even though it's in no way verifiable." They're documentable/documented actions taken by real people in the (mistaken) belief that magic is real, because their cultures accept magic as real. The fact that they were mistaken about magic doesn't change what happened: they relied on magic to protect or assist them, and got beaten by purely mundane methods.
edited 23rd Oct '14 8:26:40 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Sorcerer in training
Are you talking about stories like some of the cases where witch doctors or 'sorcerers' in Africa and such places claimed to be immune to bullets, and to make their followers also immune, all through the use of 'magic'? And every one turned out to be a case where the magician was either a con artist or... well, there's really not a nice way to call someone mentally ill.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
"In distress", my ass.
Whoaboy, lotsa catching up on calls to do.
Calling:
- Immortality Begins at Twenty: Added 18th Oct '14 at 09:45:29 PM, 21:1 (22)
- Everyone Is Gay: Added 19th Oct '14 at 07:42:56 PM, 20:0
- Nobody Over 50 Is Gay: Added 19th Oct '14 at 07:43:17 PM, 20:0
- Wrong Genre Savvy: Added 19th Oct '14 at 07:43:40 PM, 20:1 (21)
- Dewey Defeats Truman: Added 15th Oct '14 at 07:03:20 AM, 4.25:1 (21)
- The Real Man: Added 19th Oct '14 at 07:44:02 PM, 3:1 (15:5)
- The Roleplayer: Added 19th Oct '14 at 07:44:18 PM, 2.8:1 (19)
- The Loonie: Added 19th Oct '14 at 07:44:33 PM, 2.8:1 (19)
- The Munchkin: Added 19th Oct '14 at 07:44:50 PM, 2.6:1 (18)
Added Ambiguously Evil to the crowner and voted it up. Someone proposed it for NRLEP membership in the Edit Requests thread.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nominating Nothing Is Scarier. Whether "nothing" is scary relies entirely on the context of the work, which determines the perspective and the expectations of the audience. I would even say that what is "scary" in RL is always subjective.
The entries in the RL folders are almost entirely variations on how emptry rooms, abandoned buildings, dark corridors, deserted regions or just being alone in your room are creepy. Which is just not what the trope is about. All these things are not "nothing", plus their "scariness" is rather subjective.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
Nothing Is Scarier: Well, the trope is about the lack of an event. I am not seeing why that shouldn't happen in RL.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
By its nature, though, Uncoffee refers to non-Earth cultures and societies — as I noted, it's fundamentally a smeerp for coffee. Some of the examples aren't bitter or aren't served hot (though if the substance in question moves far enough away from resembling coffee I would question whether the trope applies there too) but it looks like the paradigmatic form of the trope is "coffee doesn't exist on Lyrae Gamma Eight/in Earth-42, but they drink hviey out of tiny cups after the evening meal or giant mugs first thing in the morning".
edited 22nd Oct '14 10:39:15 AM by HersheleOstropoler
The child is father to the man —Oedipus