Complaining: Hype Aversion

The problem:

The examples of Hype Aversion are filled with Complaining About Shows You Don't Like and Natter. Hype Backlash is apparent in some examples as well. The negativity doesn't really mesh with the wiki's goal to celebrate fiction.

What do you think should be done with the examples on the page?

Lots of people seem to use this to complain about hype, which isn't the point of the article. If a movie you didn't care for received excessive hype, that's not an example of Hype Aversion / Hype Backlash. YOU are an example of Hype Aversion / Hype Backlash. Go back in time and post your story in Troper Tales so we can delete it.

People also seem to use this and Hype Backlash interchangeably. This page is for reluctance to watch something, not indifference toward or dislike of something. Actually, I'm not even sure what a good entry on this page should look like, other than quoting people like in the David Letterman/Titanic example.

edited 20th Apr '12 10:48:13 PM by Routerie

Wait, where's the complaining?

Why don't we reword them to not complain?

Also maybe the examples could be cleaned.

edited 21st Apr '12 1:42:31 PM by Bookyangel2438

I would prefer to have a complete Example Sectionectomy done on the article, as this was the way Hype Backlash was dealt with. There's really no way to avoid keeping the examples from being negative opinions, as by definition the trope is about someone not wanting to watch a show because of the hype surrounding it, and listing any examples would come off negative as a result. Also, a bit of Fridge Logic kicks in with a lot of these examples, as some of these examples show a lot more knowledge about the show than what would be the case if the person writing the example actually had not watched the show.

If we were to clean examples, they would have to be changed so that they specifically mention how something about the show's hype would drive people away. By the trope's definition, the example would actually have to be about complaining about something about the show or the show's fandom.

Opinions?

I would support a sectionectomy. This page is basically "a lot of people like x and I don't" and I don't see why we need a list of everything ever that could possibly fit.

Removing examples doesn't sound too bad. 1446 inbounds since January 2011, so the definition is definitley necessary.

I support an examplectomy, not because this is flame bait or a natter magnet but because I can't imagine what a good example would look like. I don't see any valid examples on the page now.

I'm in this camp. If there's no good way of writing an example, there shouldn't be any.

Well, I could see a valid example like, "This film was hyped beyond recognition, but once it actually got to the cinema, people had stopped caring, and it sold poorly." I don't see any such examples, though.

There's also a lot of, "It happened to this series, for this reason," which doesn't actually describe how Hype Aversion comes into effect. Most of the time the reason described offers a valid (YMMV) reason why it shouldn't be liked, and thus not an example. It's not avoiding it because it's popular; it's avoiding it because it's not good, or because it's just annoying. At best, it might fall under Hype Backlash.

Crownered up.

I don't normally support sectionectomies, but in this case there's simply nothing of value here. The only criteria seems to be "A lot of people like this and I don't" which means literally every single popular work in existence qualifies.

If there are any In-Universe examples, they should stay. Don't feel like going through them right now though.

@11 Sadly, there are no In-Universe examples on the page. I can think of a couple examples (like Indie Rock Pete from Diesel Sweeties), but none are on the page at the moment. To be honest, I'm fine with the Example Sectionectomy regardless - it's not losing anything by lacking those rare in-universe examples.

I haven't found any in-universe examples, but here are the examples from the page which I thought illustrate the trope well and show what actual examples of the trope might look like, rather than just mentioning a group of fans that dislikes the show/can't get into the show:

• Any high-brow "intellectual" literature. Mark Twain defined a classic as a book that everybody knew about, but no one had ever read.

I italicized the sentence which I thought applied to the trope well. However, it is still a Real Life instance, not in-universe.

• A rare example of this happening before the work in question premiered was Central Park West. With millions of dollars spent on this Primetime Soap Opera, CBS hyped it by continually assaulting viewers with advertisements for the show. The commercials promised that the series would totally change the landscape of television by introducing racy subject matter. There were banner ads on almost every bus in the United States. Multi-page advertorial sections in entertainment trade magazines showcased the cast members and talked about the adult nature of the program. Yet, when it premiered, viewers were reportedly so incensed at being continually hounded by ads for the show that they didn't bother to watch it, which led to it getting trounced in the ratings by Melrose Place and Beverly Hills 90210.

Again, a Real Life example, but I think this illustrates what a good example for Hype Aversion would be if someone wanted to try finding something like this actually happening in a work.

...And that's it from what I could find. By the way, I'm not recommending that we keep these examples, I was just trying to see what even resembled the proper use of the trope in all of the examples on the page.

That sounds more like Hype Backlash to me. People didn't just refuse to watch it because they thought they wouldn't like it. They refused to watch it because they actively despised it for the hype.

edited 27th Apr '12 12:07:52 PM by Fnu

That's a good example, but do we have enough of those for a page? Do we have three, or even two?

That's pretty much just Mainstream Obscurity. It's not about hype; it's about a generally accepted classic.

Calling crowner in favour of an Example Sectionectomy.

Done and noted on discussion.