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The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations):

The sub-forum is used by the panel that adjudicates possible content violations. Threads can only be opened here by people on the panel. This thread is for general discussion of flagged works; if new threads are needed, the P5 will open them.

Important links: The Content Policy and the 5P Circuit, Content Violation Reports list.

edited 12th Feb '13 2:10:16 PM by Fighteer

 2301 The One Who Tropes, Wed, 9th May '12 6:28:55 AM from Leigh, Lancashire, England (Viertes Reich) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
I like this webcomic.
I find bad fanfiction funny. Except homophobic fan fiction, those people deserve to be properly educated about gay people. though, HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH is just Brazil Nut Disorder level Mind Screw.

Welcome back, Catalogue.

edited 9th May '12 6:31:52 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

Der Führer des Fraudulente Volk.
 2302 Marq FJA, Wed, 9th May '12 6:43:10 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
[up][up][up] No, you are a very close second. cool Had you had made a similar statement, I would've ranked you both as #1.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 2303 Catalogue, Wed, 9th May '12 7:17:56 AM from where the good times are
A pocketful of saudade.
Thank you.

And yeah, bad fanfiction is not covered in my squick-tolerance claim.
The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.
 2304 Marq FJA, Wed, 9th May '12 7:21:10 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Yeah. To me, there are few things worse than seeing excellent ideas being mangled by horrible execution, moreso when the ones handling them blind and deafen themselves to any constructive criticism on the issue. Now imagine adding traditionally squicky stuff into that combo. Brrrrrr.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 2305 Komodin, Wed, 9th May '12 7:25:05 AM from Somewhere in Windy Hill Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Sonic Wiki Curator
No, you are a very close second. Had you had made a similar statement, I would've ranked you both as #1.

... Curses, my terseness has screwed me over again! tongue
 2307 Catalogue, Wed, 9th May '12 7:37:36 AM from where the good times are
A pocketful of saudade.
I'm actually more disheartened by horrible ideas executed unhorribly. I don't know why.

"Call me Bladez von Disaster. Some years ago—never mind how long precisely—having little or no gil in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world."

Argh.
The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.
燃え尽きぬ炎
Well, Komodin is still my favorite P5 member, on account of being such a Sonic obsessive*, but yes, thank you for that post, Catalogue.
Now going by plain old "Silverfire".
 2309 Rhyme Beat, Wed, 9th May '12 7:42:00 AM from Eastern Standard Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Green Sorceress
I like Komodin for the same reason as he's been consistently reasonable with the laytropers.
 2310 Hershele Ostropoler, Wed, 9th May '12 8:04:09 AM from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Sharing a spaghetti noodle
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Can School Study Media be an automatic exemption? Both on the grounds of "authority figures are making kids read this, how bad could it be" and on the grounds that we want people to be able to look up the stuff they're reading in school on TV Tropes. That's how we ruin people's lives.
The child is father to the manOedipus
I should add Toni Morrison to school study, right?

II
[up][up] Being taught in high school or below is already automatically exempt from being reviewed. And they're not terribly likely to have new information brought up that proves they're awful, because they're taught in freaking schools.

edited 9th May '12 8:08:07 AM by BadWolf21

Little-known fact: the four gospels were known in their time as Wedge, Bobby Steve, Red, and Smackdaddy. — ABNDT
 2313 Komodin, Wed, 9th May '12 8:08:24 AM from Somewhere in Windy Hill Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
 2314 Pyrite, Wed, 9th May '12 8:30:42 AM from Right. Behind. You. Relationship Status: Hiding
*DOINK*
Obligatory hipster reference: I was welcoming Catalogue back before it was cool.tongue

Now, on to more relevant stuff: Having finally gone through the full scans, I'd like to request that 5P have another look at My Balls.

...Okay, That Came Out Wrong. *ahem*

EDIT: Submitting request for re-evaluation of My Balls, with consideration to re-open the My Balls thread for further discussion, on grounds of "new evidence" which may affect the voting decision.

Apologies to all those who've actually spoken in favour of keeping the work, but I'm not sure if the full picture was actually presented to the team, for the following reasons:
  • The work does get much more explicit as it progresses in terms of volume and intensity. If this progression has been taken into account, then that's fine, but as a number of commenters have rated it as borderline based on the earlier chapters alone, I'd just like to highlight this and ask for a review to see if the later content pushes it across. (On that note, I'd disagree with the assessment that the art was not meant to titillate, again based on later content, but that's my opinion.)
    • On that note: It's been stated in the discussion thread that no explicit sex is involved. This starts off true, then reaches "only true if you adhere to Bill Clinton's definition" somewhere around the later bits, and then you can forget about that when you reach the last volume.
  • The main female character passes for a middle-schooler following the main male character's memory wipe. I can't remember what the stand is on Really 700 Years Old scenarios, since this is a demon we're talking about here, but it's worth consideration and noting that this is not the fault of the artwork alone. In mitigation, this is not a major plot point and is never brought up again.
  • I will agree that there is a plot and it is reasonably funny - however, whether or not that can be considered to be balanced out by the content is up to the panel.

I don't like seeing works cut, to be honest, but in the interests of fairness I'd like to ensure that the evidence used for decision-making is a representative sample of the content as a whole.

edited 9th May '12 8:58:34 AM by Pyrite

Not a substitute for a formal medical consultation.
 2315 Catalogue, Wed, 9th May '12 8:37:08 AM from where the good times are
A pocketful of saudade.
Yes, School Study Media should be exempt, barring exceptions like it's a rather loopy, obscure, hippie college in the sixties somebody somewhere read in some paper.

Pyrite, I voted nay for My Balls based on a few early chapters I've read long before. I think it counts as porn, even if it doesn't have male ejaculation in it. It's not a strong opinion, I respect the final verdict, but you'd have to get a nod from some other panel members first before the topic is reopened. At least I think that's how it works.
The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.
II
I believe one panel member needs to say that they would change their vote, for the issue to be reopened. Otherwise, it would just end up with the same result.
Little-known fact: the four gospels were known in their time as Wedge, Bobby Steve, Red, and Smackdaddy. — ABNDT
 2317 Pyrite, Wed, 9th May '12 8:47:54 AM from Right. Behind. You. Relationship Status: Hiding
*DOINK*
[up][up]/[up]Noted. I'm just pointing out that this might come under the "new evidence" guideline - or at least, I'm not sure how much actually has been considered given that some others also came to their conclusions based on early volumes. If 5P decides not to re-open after taking the additional points into account, then I'm fine with it.

edited 9th May '12 8:53:49 AM by Pyrite

Not a substitute for a formal medical consultation.
 2318 Meeble, Wed, 9th May '12 9:00:22 AM from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
I can take a more in depth look at My Balls sometime later, but the precedent for series that tend to get more pornographic as time goes on seems to be that we would go more for a clean-up (as we did already on this one), like we're discussing with the Gor and Anita Blake series.

Now what would definitely change my vote and thus automatically make me a call for a re-review would be rape being added to the guidelines of what we're looking to cut, as is being discussed in the Sengoku Rance thread. Since the entire premise of My Balls has female demons attempting to force the protagonist to get off so that their demon queen can be released (albeit played in an extremely over the top, Played for Laughs fashion.)

The outcome of that discussion may end up with several series coming up for re-review, so I'm watching it closely.

edited 9th May '12 9:03:25 AM by Meeble

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 2319 Pyrite, Wed, 9th May '12 9:12:05 AM from Right. Behind. You. Relationship Status: Hiding
*DOINK*
Thanks for the clarification. I always thought there was a distinction between series with multiple entries (the aforementioned Gor and Anita Blake) and single works such as My Balls: the former can and will contain multiple individual works of varying acceptability, and it may be possible to discuss those works without referencing the more unsavoury ones, while you can't subdivide the latter any further.

edited 9th May '12 9:13:16 AM by Pyrite

Not a substitute for a formal medical consultation.
I really think adding rape to the guidelines is a bad idea, as shima already noted. She explained it better than I ever could.

Anyway, I read the non-h version of Living With Monster Girl, and it seems like just a standard sex comedy like Ménage à 3, so I'd vote to restore the page under the Bleached Underpants version. Of course, its only two chapters so far.
 2321 Meeble, Wed, 9th May '12 9:16:36 AM from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
[up][up]I can see where you're coming from there. I look at a multiple volume manga series about the same way as I do a multiple volume book series in that regard, since I'd probably be spending a similar amount of time and money reading them in a US book store, and in all likelihood both would be limited to a single work page here.

Of course, my word on it is far from the final one. If Discar or Komodin felt that their vote would change, they can call for a re-review as well. This is a series that I don't think quite reaches the standard of "primarily porn" from what I read, but it's close enough that I wouldn't think it an injustice if the vote count had split in the other direction.

[up] Could you PM me the location of where you read them? I'll take a look and see what I think. If there are only two volumes out, we can only base our judgment on what's currently available... if it gets racier later, we can review it again if necessary.

edited 9th May '12 9:39:10 AM by Meeble

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 2322 Kuro Bara Hime, Wed, 9th May '12 9:28:59 AM from Somewhere...I think Relationship Status: Mu
☆♥☆
I went ahead and flagged Living with Monster Girl so it'd show up on the voting tool.

 2323 Catalogue, Wed, 9th May '12 9:37:29 AM from where the good times are
A pocketful of saudade.
Can I get it online?
The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.
 2324 Komodin, Wed, 9th May '12 9:39:21 AM from Somewhere in Windy Hill Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Sonic Wiki Curator
Yeah, I also want to read it to see if violates anything.
 2325 Kuro Bara Hime, Wed, 9th May '12 9:40:31 AM from Somewhere...I think Relationship Status: Mu
☆♥☆
LWMG? I linked it earlier, here.

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