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The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations):

The sub-forum is used by the panel that adjudicates possible content violations. Threads can only be opened here by people on the panel. This thread is for general discussion of flagged works; if new threads are needed, the P5 will open them.

Important links: The Content Policy and the 5P Circuit, Content Violation Reports list.

edited 12th Feb '13 2:10:16 PM by Fighteer

 101 lu 127, Sun, 22nd Apr '12 2:23:16 PM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
With Tokunaga Hat On
No.

If it's a trope, (unless it's solely a porn trope) we are going to document it. Legal Jailbait appears in shows like Law & Order, which is not paedo-pandering. We are not going to erase whole tropes because they have bad implications. Unless they swarm with ugly gushing. Which isn't the case, since two moderators have cleaned up Legal Jailbait. The only thing that needs work is the description. Which I will take a stab on later.
@Fighter (#88) - A lot of unspoken words in that statement I don't like the sound of...but good luck.

 103 Midnight Rambler, Mon, 23rd Apr '12 3:11:22 PM from Germania Inferior
JEZUS MARIA PANIE KURWA BOŻE
I'm okay with this initiative, but I don't like the name. Couldn't we have called it something informal, like the Big Clean-Up? The Bleaching of the Underpants? Perhaps even something punny: The Great Pornofics Clean Up?

"Content Violation" sounds a lot like the kind of nasty euphemism big record companies use when they take down YouTube videos.

edited 23rd Apr '12 3:12:49 PM by MidnightRambler

"...and by 'the real world' I mean continental Europe."

Me
 104 Septimus Heap, Mon, 23rd Apr '12 3:13:06 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
5P is the term in the URL: "Panel for the Prevention of Paedophilia-Pandering and Porn"

You could call it "Project for the Prevention of Paedophilia-Pandering and Porn"

 105 Marq FJA, Mon, 23rd Apr '12 3:13:38 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
It would be more accurate to call it "Content Policy Violations".

edited 24th Apr '12 10:02:57 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar

This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
 
 107 Fighteer, Tue, 24th Apr '12 10:00:23 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
I will EXTERMINATE your unhappiness!
If you'd bothered to read the thread, we are not doing that, and it misrepresents our policy. We are removing stuff specifically designed to appeal to prurient interests, not everything that has a cute little girl in it. Please do not strawman or accuse us of slippery slope arguments.

Oh, hey... new account who posted only in these two threads and only to make strawman arguments. Me smelleth a troll. Bye.

edited 24th Apr '12 10:01:39 AM by Fighteer

Around when do we intend to start looking at individual works? It seems like the rate people bring up new works has slowed to a trickle and many of those suggestions aren't really taken seriously or are suggested in order to make a statement. At this point, it seems like perhaps we should be getting more work done.

Well, this is of course working under the assumption that you aren't doing so behind the scenes.

 109 Japanese Teeth, Tue, 24th Apr '12 8:11:22 PM from Meinong's jungle Relationship Status: Mu
A dandy Betelgusian, in space.
I'm pretty sure that we're just waiting for FE to finish coding the stuff for the 5P discussion threads.
 110 Ironeye, Tue, 24th Apr '12 8:15:30 PM from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
[up] Yes.
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
I suppose that makes sense, though I thought I remembered him saying that he'd have it done by "tonight." I may have misunderstood what he was referring to though.

 112 Fighteer, Tue, 24th Apr '12 9:20:23 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
I will EXTERMINATE your unhappiness!
Like all of us, Eddie has a life. Said life keeps him from full-time coding on the wiki. He's promised to get it done as fast as possible.

edited 24th Apr '12 9:20:52 PM by Fighteer

 113 Ramidel, Tue, 24th Apr '12 10:35:31 PM Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Regarding "no debates in the recommendation threads, " are we just giving up that rule as a lost cause?

 114 Septimus Heap, Wed, 25th Apr '12 1:13:18 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
On a different note, I've already asked this but didn't get a straight answer: Are the rules about paedophilia (for works) focused on "teen/pre-teen" or "over-16/under-16"?

The former rule is much superior to the latter rule, by the way, since 16 is too high and just a random number* anyway.

 115 Marq FJA, Wed, 25th Apr '12 6:01:12 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
[up][up] What rule?
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 116 Japanese Teeth, Wed, 25th Apr '12 7:58:33 AM from Meinong's jungle Relationship Status: Mu
A dandy Betelgusian, in space.
[up]The recommendations for perusal thread is technically not the place for people to defend works that get nominated for review. But at this point it seems like a lost cause in trying to enforce it.
I don't think it's going to stick unless the mods continually enforce it by thumping. Having the reply button there is just too tempting...even, apparently, for other mods.

 118 ccoa, Wed, 25th Apr '12 8:49:25 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
We've already said we're going to allow defense of works. We just won't allow the thread to be derailed by them.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 119 Adannor, Wed, 25th Apr '12 8:51:09 AM from effin' belarus
Whoooo?
So like one or two comments (that could be then summarised and put on the list page as a defence) are fine, but not to derail into a big argument?

edited 25th Apr '12 8:51:33 AM by Adannor

 120 shimaspawn, Wed, 25th Apr '12 8:52:17 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
For this thread, yes. For the individual work threads, it's one and done.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 121 Marq FJA, Wed, 25th Apr '12 9:01:56 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Right. Just to confirm, we can discuss certain particularities of the new Content Policy here, like we used to do in the currently locked Content Policy Change thread, right? Because that's what I got from Fighteer's mod-post in one of the other threads, when people started debating about the policy again despite several mod-calls against that.

edited 25th Apr '12 9:02:13 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 122 Fighteer, Wed, 25th Apr '12 9:03:50 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
I will EXTERMINATE your unhappiness!
As long as it is kept civil and rational, we can discuss the policy in this thread, yes. I don't want to cut off all conversation on the topic, but it does nobody any good when it devolves into vitriol.
 123 Septimus Heap, Wed, 25th Apr '12 9:03:54 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
[up][up]I think we need to unlock that thread. Clearly, attempts to turn off this discussion (the policy one) won't work. And it would allow to answer the question I had above.

edited 25th Apr '12 9:04:08 AM by SeptimusHeap

 124 lebrel, Wed, 25th Apr '12 9:05:37 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
[up] I'd rather have a new thread, or this one. The old one is so long and so flame-y that anyone who comes in new to the discussion will get tainted by the archive binge, if they even bother to read it all.
Calling someone a pedant is an automatic Insult Backfire. Real pedants will be flattered.
 125 Marq FJA, Wed, 25th Apr '12 9:05:51 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
At the very least, we should put a link to it in the OP, so those interested and willing can go check that thread to dig for past decisions and such. If the thread gets unlocked, though, it may do better to have it moved to this subforum, I think.

edited 25th Apr '12 9:07:03 AM by MarqFJA

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