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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#826: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:38:11 PM

Interesting point.

My interpretation under the current system is that, despite their content, because they are distributed in the US without an M for Mature rating, they're permitted. But you'd have to ask 5P.

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#827: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:38:42 PM

Some people are preemptively adding works, the idea being that it's better that someone who actually seen the work in question ensures it gets a fair review rather than someone who has not and won't.

That said, lol towards Clannad.

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encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#828: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:39:11 PM

[up][up][up][up] He's an obvious troll. No use in adding a proper defense.

edited 25th Apr '12 8:39:23 PM by encrypted12345

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#829: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:41:20 PM

If you're going to reply to Clannad being on the list you might as well just say you've sent your personal ninja squad to remove all the porn from Clannad. And lo and behold they succeeded! Not one sex scene in Clannad.

Raidouthe21st Cool Dude from Whacking trick-or-treating punks Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#830: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:41:32 PM

Um, guis...

"Holding hands" was the reason given.

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edited 25th Apr '12 8:44:07 PM by Raidouthe21st

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#831: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:44:29 PM

I hesitate to call that trolling. He's not even trying to argue that it's really objectionable, he's just making fun of our policy.

animeg3282 Since: Jan, 2001
#832: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:48:17 PM

Maybe the mods should remove stuff that is just mocking the policy. I was PO'd during the accidental deletion phase, but come on, guys.

tkdb Since: Oct, 2009
#833: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:49:30 PM

"My interpretation under the current system is that, despite their content, because they are distributed in the US without an M for Mature rating, they're permitted. But you'd have to ask 5P."

The issue here is that making exemptions for content that runs afoul of the stated content policy based on whether or not the work in question has a US release with a given rating automatically means violating either the content policy*

or No Such Thing As Notability. If you don't make the same concessions for works with similar content that don't have a US release, you're letting notability override the content policy (because whether a work gets exported or not is mainly an issue of profit potential — i.e., popularity). On the other hand, if you give such works the same treatment that you give to works with a US release, you'll wind up with a lot of stuff with content sexualizing minors, in contrast to the stated content policy.

Plain and simple, the content policy itself needs to be revised if there's going to be any coherency with regard to the rules the site is ostensibly run by.

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#834: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:50:49 PM

The hand holding thing is Memetic Mutation on /a/. Any hand holding pictures are met with comments like "That's disgusting" or "my brother died that way you sick person".

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ccoa MOD Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#835: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:53:06 PM

Let's all breathe a bit. In. Out. In. Out. Everyone feel better? Okay.

First: What we are looking for are works that pander to pedophiles. Things like Rapelay, or Chibi-usa's 7th Birthday, or other foul crap. We are not looking to purge works like A Song Of Ice And Fire, Final Fantasy X, Sailor Moon, or anything else in that vein. Yes, those works involve sex and/or fanservice of under-16s. However, they are either marketed to the same age bracket they are sexualizing, or they are a very small part of a work that is otherwise not objectionable.

This is exactly why we're using real people to make the call - because there is no one rule that can cover everything without either being full of loopholes or taking too much collateral works with it.

As to There Is No Such Thing As Notability, it says and has always said that we have no notability standards. It says nothing and has never said anything about us having no standards, period.

I really hate having to type this over and over.

edited 25th Apr '12 8:53:20 PM by ccoa

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Flapjackmaka A Mulberry is a Tree... from Pennsylvania Since: Nov, 2011
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#836: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:54:01 PM

I chuckled at the Clannad entry. But Gurren Lagann? Nia is an adult for half the series and the only fanservice of her is the one half part beach episode.

edited 25th Apr '12 8:54:25 PM by Flapjackmaka

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#837: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:55:06 PM

Whoever posted the 'objection' to Clannad does need to be given a stern talking to / banned. Anyone who's seen it knows there's nothing remotely objectionable.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#838: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:55:38 PM

If we consider the content policy to be a refraction of "Socially Acceptable Content" then we consider the fact that something is available without in the public eye to be a superior measurement of "Socially Acceptable Content" than our own policy-while it's certainly true that those things that are more notable are more likely to fall into this category, it is not that non-noteworthy projects are denied due to their notability, but rather that there is a common cause between something notable (which by itself is irrelevant) and something superceding the content policy by virtue of the listed exception.

More to the point, "No Such Thing As Notability" is a reference to Wikipedia's policy of not having pages explicitly because they're not notable-it does not mean that non-notable things somehow get preference.

ccoa MOD Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#839: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:56:43 PM

Forgot to mention: Any more offtopic posts will be thumped. Take discussion of policy to the correct thread.

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#841: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:57:31 PM

[up][up][up][up] Someone added Gurren Lagann? That aired on the Sci Fi Channel, so it gets a free pass, more or less.

edited 25th Apr '12 8:57:49 PM by encrypted12345

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#842: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:58:57 PM

This thread is for discussing policy.

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Flapjackmaka A Mulberry is a Tree... from Pennsylvania Since: Nov, 2011
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#843: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:59:13 PM

I actually found an /a/ post on this. They seem to be calling for trolling and stuff. The clannad thing was mentioned.

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#844: Apr 25th 2012 at 8:59:44 PM

Edit: Majorly ninja'd

edited 25th Apr '12 9:00:11 PM by Ironeye

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encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#845: Apr 25th 2012 at 9:02:59 PM

[up][up] I was wondering when 4chan would get involved.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#846: Apr 25th 2012 at 9:03:13 PM

The person who added CLANNAD has been wikibanned, as will anyone else who deliberately trolls the list.

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animeg3282 Since: Jan, 2001
#847: Apr 25th 2012 at 9:04:23 PM

This whole isue was started by trolls, and now it's being made worse by trolls. DARN YOU, YOU TROLLS! No Cute Monster Girls for anyone!

edited 25th Apr '12 9:05:04 PM by animeg3282

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#848: Apr 25th 2012 at 9:05:52 PM

Um, after taking a look at the thread, there are a lot of things on there that really shouldn't be. I think people are taking the opportunity to just list whatever the hell they want on there for shits and giggles. Hayate The Combat Butler? Really?

I think perhaps we should lock the page for now and have all suggestions have to be routed through here first.

edited 25th Apr '12 9:06:15 PM by Arha

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#850: Apr 25th 2012 at 9:08:00 PM

[up][up] I have to agree. The additions just keep getting more and more ridiculous. I'm pretty sure we got most of the objectionable stuff out by now.

edited 25th Apr '12 9:08:10 PM by encrypted12345

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