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Recommendations for Perusal by 5P:

 1 ccoa, Thu, 19th Apr '12 9:20:07 AM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
This is the thread to list uncut works that you feel need to be reviewed by the 5P. All posts should be in the following format:

Article Name

Reason(s) why you think it should be cut by our guidelines, or is borderline.

After posting, it will be added to the sandbox page.

Abusing this system or using it for trolling is likely to get you a forum suspension, at the very least.

The system for voting whether a work is in line with wiki standards is here. It can only be used by the P5.

What we're looking for:

  • Pure porn, or porn with an excuse plot only.
  • Anything that has explicit underage sex
  • Implied sex of preteens or younger
  • Fanservice intended to cater to pedophiles (lolicon and shotacon count)

If you're not sure, it's okay to list it here. Works will not be cut simply because you brought them up.

What we're not looking for:

  • Anything that has been rated T/PG-13 and under or the equivalent for the media. If the book can be sold unwrapped and shelved with other innocuous books (and not by mistake), it's fine.
  • Things with teen fanservice that is aimed at teens.

A couple of guidelines so the procedure can move smoothly:

Do NOT list whole indexes.

Do NOT list works you know nothing about without at least reading the trope page. If the trope page looks really bad, see point 4 below.

Do NOT just list works with lolicon on the trope list. A lot of times that means nothing more than they have a Law & Order style creep as a bad guy and nothing ever happens on screen. And the guy is treated as creepy to boot. Read the trope page for context.

Do NOT list just because they're labelled H-Game. This genre ranges from heavy fanservice in an otherwise plot heavy game, to actual porn. We only want things on one end of that.

Do NOT list works that you know are G rated but you find them creepy.

Do NOT argue on this thread. Arguments will be thumped.

We need actual well thought out proposals dictating:

  1. If it's paedoshit approximately how old are the characters involved. What happens. Is it graphic? Is it merely implied?
  2. List what objectionable content there is, and how much of the work consists of that.
  3. If it's entirely sex, say so. People have different ideas of what porn is. We all have the same idea of what a work being entirely sex scenes is.
  4. If you're not sure about a work, say so, or ask someone who does know that work. But don't make blanket accusations. Post here: "I don't know about this work, but the page says X".
  5. Google and Wikipedia are your friends. Do a little digging on works you aren't sure about.

We need thought out complaints. Not off the cuff accusations. There's a difference between saying "This work's premise seems to involve children in sexual situations and rape as a plot mechanism." and "OMG! NUKE FROM ORBIT! It has the word lolicon in it or on the trope page, therefore it's pedoshit!!"

We're going to have a lot more luck getting the bad stuff out if we actually look at works and don't make blanket condemnations.

That said, better safe than sorry. If it looks skeevy to you, list it here and tell us why.

Thank you everyone for your help with this.

edited 26th Apr '12 10:53:12 AM by lu127

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 2 ccoa, Thu, 19th Apr '12 9:25:37 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
For Your Eyes Only

Appears to have explicit sex between creatures that are described as toddler like.

Naga Eyes

Contains explicit sex and vore between two underage characters, and pretty much nothing else.

(changed namespaces - Willbyr)

edited 19th Apr '12 9:30:45 AM by Willbyr

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Batman XXX

Porn.

 5 lu 127, Thu, 19th Apr '12 9:45:56 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Some works that were flagged for the P5:

Corruption Of Champions

Sex and fetish transformation game. The premise seems to involve rape a lot.

Slave Maker

H-Game that casts the player as a sex slave trainer.

小さく揺れた向日葵
 6 The One Who Tropes, Thu, 19th Apr '12 9:51:51 AM from Leigh, Lancashire, England (Viertes Reich) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
I like this webcomic.
Seconding Literotica.

If The Erotic Mind Control Story Archive has been deleted for being a porn repository, it should be too.

The Horribly Bloody Death Of Kairi

Utterly unreedemable Yaoi Trollfic that was listed on So Bad, It's Horrible for taking Die for Our Ship to improbable levels. Contains Riku and Sora (both teenagers under 16) having sex.

edited 19th Apr '12 9:53:19 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

Der Führer des Fraudlente Menschen.
 7 Martello, Thu, 19th Apr '12 9:53:22 AM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
The Erotic Creepy Whatever Horrible Shit Archive has been cut, after I flagged it when going through fanfic recs.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
 8 ccoa, Thu, 19th Apr '12 9:53:32 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Virgin Roster

H-game that revolves around a teacher raping and enslaving virginal students and fellow teachers. Ages of the characters are unclear, but seem to be on the young side for the students.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 9 lu 127, Thu, 19th Apr '12 9:54:51 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
[up] Err, I think that one's already dead.
小さく揺れた向日葵
 10 Earl of Sandvich, Thu, 19th Apr '12 9:58:50 AM from the Palouse Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Ski bi di bi di do bap do
Hmm... seems like a good idea. Shall we have a sandbox for this like we have for the deletion appeals?

[down] Oh my god, I love the alliterative ring to this.

edited 19th Apr '12 10:07:28 AM by EarlOfSandvich

Status of possible Fallout RP idea: Thinking of and open to new ideas.

Just feelin' like a casual chat? My PM box is ALWAYS open!
[up] Made one.

Pages Pending For Perusal By P 5

Feel free to elaborate on your reasons.

edited 19th Apr '12 10:06:43 AM by encrypted12345

love lockdown, you lose.
Cupcakes. It might be popular, but it's in the same vein as already-deleted Sweet Apple Massacre.
In uffish thought
Should we keep posting things here, or just edit them into there? As it is, another one for review:

Comicbook.Tarot Witch Of The Black Rose: One trope on the page is "Porn Without Plot: Sex and near-naked women were common in the earlier issues, but it could still have a plot independent of them (relatively). Over the course of the series, it's been adding more and more explicit nudity and sex, to the point where removing them would result in entire issues being cut.". It seems to often contain explicit sex and frequent nudity.
 14 Final Starman, Thu, 19th Apr '12 10:20:21 AM from Clinton, Massachusetts

Surfing the forums
Yiff. I'm not sure why it has a page in the first place, but Yiff is the term they use for furry sex.

 16 Pyrite, Thu, 19th Apr '12 10:28:54 AM from Right. Beneath. You. Relationship Status: Hiding
Until further notice
So, scanning through the anime list...

A - C: Alien From The Darkness, Boku No Sexual Harassment, and Cool Devices, which are all recognised as Hentai / Erotica by Wikipedia and Anime News Network. From the descriptions given, the bulk of all 3 works seems to be the erotic content, with minimal relevant plot. EDIT: Looks like the last one's been cut already.

EDIT: Was being a little presumptuous there.

edited 19th Apr '12 11:15:20 AM by Pyrite

Not a substitute for a formal medical consultation.
[up][up][up][up] It's best to mention it once here then edit the page, giving a more elaborate reason if you want. I don't know these works, so I would prefer if someone else does it. All I can do is copy-paste.

edited 19th Apr '12 10:30:54 AM by encrypted12345

Ecce Homo Superior
Knight Of Lolicon. Crossover fanfic; appears to be at least flirting with the concept of lolicon and mentions Kodomo no Jikan as an inspiration.

May be borderline, since the page says that it has no explicit content and never plays lolicon straight, but with a title like that, it needs a look.

edited 19th Apr '12 10:50:50 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash

(it's David Bowie)
I don't want to get in trouble but would it be ok to ask about what might be a "test case" of the criteria?

I don't want to name it yet but I'll describe the issue: It's not porny and not tittilating; in fact it is a well known and well respected Fantasy book. But there is a plot point between two preteen/barely teen characters involving consensual physical intimacy (kissing, etc) and possible (but extremely debatable) implied sex. (If you've read the work you might recognize it, but please only chime in with that info if you're a P5 member. Right now I am only asking whether I *should* ask for it to be reviewed, or to not bother.)

Take On Me seems to be a borderline case. For eros comix, this is apparently a sex comedy with a Token Mini-Moe and lots of sex. Uh...could someone read it and see if it's porn or not? I do not know.

 21 Martello, Thu, 19th Apr '12 10:34:18 AM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
Not to derail, but "contains explicit sex" in and of itself isn't cut criteria. Tarot isn't porn, it's just a badly-written comic book with a lot of nudity in it.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
 22 Earl of Sandvich, Thu, 19th Apr '12 10:40:19 AM from the Palouse Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Ski bi di bi di do bap do
Yeah, I think the policies would be if the plot either doesn't exist or is threadbare to the point that it technically doesn't exist at all.

edited 19th Apr '12 10:41:17 AM by EarlOfSandvich

Status of possible Fallout RP idea: Thinking of and open to new ideas.

Just feelin' like a casual chat? My PM box is ALWAYS open!
Winged Doom
X-Change

Porn Without Plot Visual Novel, pretty much.
WE CLAIM THIS LAND FOR THE HIGH LORD. GOD BLESS THIS LAND AND OUR HIGH LORD.
In uffish thought
I thought this thread was for things which should be flagged for review, not "ohmigoshthisworkisanabominationpleasecutitinstant- ly" (I know that's exaggerating). I've never read Tarot; I just think that, going by some of what is on its page, it may need looking at.
[up] True. The work Elle mentioned does look like it may need reviewing, too, though I doubt it'll be cut.
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