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Content Policy Change:

There is no conflict with the site's mission. Nowhere in there does it say anything at all about cutting porn.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
 177 Enthryn, Sat, 14th Apr '12 2:54:05 PM from Earth Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Does this include Plot with Porn? In other words, are all works with any explicit sex whatsoever out, or just Porn Without Plot?
Prendre le bien, le mal et sans trier, accepter
Sans couvrir tes yeux, tout regarder.
I presume that the cutting will be limited to just works that are purely pornographic in nature and not works where nudity or sex is present, discussed/talked/about/etc.

I just want confirmation that this is the standard for being cut.

 179 Septimus Heap, Sat, 14th Apr '12 2:54:25 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
[up][up][up]I think their issue is that we can't trope things just because they have porn or paedophilia in them, regardless of other applicable tropes.

edited 14th Apr '12 2:54:37 PM by SeptimusHeap

Doctor Where
@ Enthryn 164 It changed at the beginning of this thread. The name of this thread is "Content Policy Change, " after all.

Anyway, I would suggest the committee work in secret, but have a period of public review. At this point, the discussion thread will be made public, so everyone can see that there are no conspiracies against their favorite work. That way, we don't get the general public clogging up the thread, but they get to see the committee's reasoning and object to any errors they may have made. If there is incontrovertible evidence of a mistake, the decision is reversed. No harm done. Any reversal is solely at the discretion of the committee. That's just my two cents anyway.

edited 14th Apr '12 2:57:18 PM by Chimaera

Well that was like playing a game of Whack-A-Mole where "mole" is defined as "Cthulhu". -Count Dorku
Porn is out. The degree of plot and whether that causes something to stop being porn is a call the panel will make.

edited 14th Apr '12 2:55:25 PM by FastEddie

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
 182 L Mage, Sat, 14th Apr '12 2:56:11 PM from Miss Robichaux's Academy Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Evil Trickster
I think comprehensiveness should be brought up. I feel like every cut damages our ability to be comprehensive and erodes the power of There Is no Such Thing as Notability.

Works that serve no purpose but jack-off material? Yes perhaps they need to do, but something where sex is a strong theme or a central idea, maybe even that was intended to arouse, but still posses a plot? That shouldn't go, in my opinion.
"You are never taller then when standing up for yourself"
 183 Marq FJA, Sat, 14th Apr '12 2:58:09 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Porn is out. The degree of plot and whether that causes something to stop being porn is a call the panel will make.
That's good to hear.

There is no conflict with the site's mission. Nowhere in there does it say anything at all about cutting porn.
The OP and your previous post make it clear that you will not allow documenting pure porn (even Porn with Plot, apparently), or porn-exclusive tropes anywhere on the site. I do not see any such prohibition implied anywhere in The Goals of TV Tropes. If it's going to become a non-negotiable policy, then it's only logical that that article include it clearly.

edited 14th Apr '12 2:58:51 PM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 184 The One Who Tropes, Sat, 14th Apr '12 2:58:18 PM from Leigh, Lancashire, England (Viertes Reich) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
I like this webcomic.
[up][up] I honestly think most of the streamlining has been GOOD for the Wiki. Fetish Fuel and Troper Tales were terrible at the end.

edited 14th Apr '12 2:58:55 PM by TheOneWhoTropes

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 185 Psyga 315, Sat, 14th Apr '12 2:58:19 PM from Dungeons & Dragons No Sekai Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Nanako The Narcface
I actually don't mind the purging of porn, mostly from the reason of the fact of "Why on God's Earth did someone think making a page for {insert something here} would be a good idea?!" but some people would argue of "Don't Like, Don't Read".

However, I think there's a solution to this: We move this crud to another wiki. Eddie can clean up house, and complainers would still find the works page on another place. Everyone wins?

edited 14th Apr '12 2:58:26 PM by Psyga315

"An MMORPG without a logout button? That's a bold decision, man!"
I agree with Marq. smile

Also why are there contradictions and stuff? sad
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 187 Septimus Heap, Sat, 14th Apr '12 2:59:44 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Which contradictions?

 188 L Mage, Sat, 14th Apr '12 3:00:12 PM from Miss Robichaux's Academy Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Evil Trickster
@The One Who Tropes

I was not part of the Fetish Fuel discussion, however I maintained, and still maintain, that cutting Troper Tales was a mistake.

edited 14th Apr '12 3:00:41 PM by LMage

"You are never taller then when standing up for yourself"
 189 Marq FJA, Sat, 14th Apr '12 3:00:58 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
However, I think there's a solution to this: We move this crud to another wiki. Eddie can clean up house, and complainers would still find the works page on another place. Everyone wins?
That would require find a good alternative to this site's various advantages over a wikia system, like YKTTW. Also, we need to find a host that has no problems with the moved-off site.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
[up][up][up]Like contradictions with policy and opinions. sad

[up][up]I think Troper Tales should have never been cut. sad

edited 14th Apr '12 3:01:11 PM by Bookyangel2438

Alt account of Angeldog 2437.
Doctor Where
[up][up][up] Can't we have just one discussion on a major policy change without reopening that can of worms?

edited 14th Apr '12 3:01:53 PM by Chimaera

Well that was like playing a game of Whack-A-Mole where "mole" is defined as "Cthulhu". -Count Dorku
 192 Psyga 315, Sat, 14th Apr '12 3:01:44 PM from Dungeons & Dragons No Sekai Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Nanako The Narcface
[up][up][up] I'm talking about something like the Fetish Fuel wikia.

edited 14th Apr '12 3:01:55 PM by Psyga315

"An MMORPG without a logout button? That's a bold decision, man!"
 193 rmctagg09, Sat, 14th Apr '12 3:02:01 PM from Brooklyn, NY Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
Troper Tales, while I did like some of it, was kind of hurting us badly, so it needed to go.
Hugging a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

It's typed rmctagg09.
 194 Marq FJA, Sat, 14th Apr '12 3:03:48 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
@Psyga: Fetish Fuel Wiki had it's Panty Shot article cut by a Wikia Community Member for "hosting underage content". I wouldn't hold high chances of a Hentai/Porn Tropes Wiki surviving.

edited 14th Apr '12 3:05:16 PM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
When it's something like "is this pedo, " for example, a council member needn't have read every chapter of whatever manga or comic book or novel or fic or whatever to make that decision. A paragraph or a scanned page showing the pedo-stuff should be enough.

Um, no. All you need is a troll or hater cherry-picking the worst scene out of a mostly-non-sexual work and claiming it's representative.

Informed decision-making requires actually being informed, not making one-minute skims of one paragraph. It's especially problematic to do this without even looking to see if there are tropers who have read/watched the whole thing. Of course their descriptions of particular scenes should be fact-checked against the actual work to determine their reliability as sources. But there is no substitute for being familiar with an entire work and knowing whether it is all about porn and pedo or merely contains a little sex here and there.

I think that works with the sole intent of soliciting sexual arousal and nothing else should be cut, but nothing else. Containing sexual content or addressing sexual subject matter shouldn't be grounds for cutting so long as we treat the matters respectfully when we create the article in question.
This, absolutely. Fortunately Fast Eddie has made statements along this line already.

I'm with Vyctorian that this wiki should not demonize sex. However, I would not at all miss porn that is purely porn.

edited 14th Apr '12 3:12:36 PM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 196 L Mage, Sat, 14th Apr '12 3:04:59 PM from Miss Robichaux's Academy Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Evil Trickster
@ Chimaera

I am not the one that brought it up, I was merely responding in so far as to defend my position that cutting hurts this wiki like chemotherapy hurts the human body, if it's necessary fine, pump away, but if their is question it's better to err on the side of caution.

edited 14th Apr '12 3:05:53 PM by LMage

"You are never taller then when standing up for yourself"
 197 Marq FJA, Sat, 14th Apr '12 3:05:41 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
I think their issue is that we can't trope things just because they have porn or paedophilia in them, regardless of other applicable tropes.
I think you meant that in the sense that that's what they don't want to happen, right?
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
[up][up][up]and[up][up]Yup. smile

edited 14th Apr '12 3:05:56 PM by Bookyangel2438

Alt account of Angeldog 2437.
Doctor Where
My begging of everyone not to talk about TT continues.

However, on another topic, I'd like to know why All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles was cut, considering it isn't a pornographic trope in nature, nor one common in pornography. It references pornography, yes, but I don't think it's any more objectionable than, say, Porn Stash.
Well that was like playing a game of Whack-A-Mole where "mole" is defined as "Cthulhu". -Count Dorku
[up]Ugh, that was cut too? sad

Why?
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