Unclear Description: In Which A Trope Is Described get usage counts
Deadlock Clock: 13th May 2012 11:59:00 PM
edited 8th Apr '12 2:53:36 AM by NaphthaTurisas
Post III: In Which Catbert Expounds upon the Mysteries of In Which a Trope Is Described, replete with Samples of the Style Therein DescribedI don't think there is anything unreadable about it. It is about a title or subtitle which:
- Summaries the Chapter's Events, particularly in 18th and 19th Century Fiction and Works attempting to imitate that Style.
- Is very frequently used for comedic effect.
- Usually starts with "In Which", "Being", "Wherein" or similar words.
- Frequently uses things such as capitalized nouns, nouns, semicolons, colons, gerunds
- Episode 69: In Which Qui-Gon, Jar Jar, R2-D2, and Padmé Seek Shelter From a Sandstorm
- 2. In Which Some Of The Pieces Start Coming Together, Whether I Want Them To Or Not
- 5. In Which Things Come From Hell In A Hand Basket
- CHAPTER I: IN WHICH HE TAKES TEA AT THE CARLTON AND IS SURPRISED
- CHAPTER II: IN WHICH HE JOURNEYS TO GODALMING AND THE GAME BEGINS
- 19. How, though the Sphere shewed me other mysteries of Spaceland, I still desired more; and what came of it
edited 8th Apr '12 6:28:36 AM by Catbert
Post V: Wherein Catbert argues for preserving self-demonstration in the main article, while making minor changes to improve the readability thereof.I think you can just tone down the degree to which the self-demonstrating aspect is used in the main article, while still keeping some self-demonstrating features. If anything, by making every line self-demonstrating, it is not in fact self-demonstrating, because works that use this trope don't use it in every line.
edited 8th Apr '12 10:47:39 AM by Catbert
Post VII: Being a post wherein Catbert suggests a possible alternative approach to self-demonstrationMaybe something along the lines of the following:
Section 1: In which the characteristics of the trope are described.Description
Section 2: In which comparisons to other tropes are madeSee also...
Section 3: Being a list of examples of works that use this trope.Example list
edited 8th Apr '12 11:17:36 AM by Catbert
Post X: in which Spark9 suggests to add a short and simple explanation to the trope header in addition to the self-demonstration.Hey, how about we add a short and simple explanation to the trope header in addition to the self-demonstration?
In which a Solution is proposed.Aren't we trying to get away from using the word "Trope" as a placeholder in trope names? So, one potential solution is:
- Rename the trope to "In Which a Chapter is Described" (or something similar).
- Add a header that reads "In which a particular Trope is described, together with a list of examples thereof" (or something similar).
- Rewrite the rest of the article in modern English (or something similar).
edited 13th May '12 12:35:45 PM by HiddenWindshield
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
In Which a possible New iteration of the trope Description is proposed:If we're mostly agreed that the self-demonstration could be kept for title portions within the page, as that is the trope, then here's my proposal for a clearer description of the trope. Open for proofreading and tweaking, obviously: In Which a Trope Is Described is a titling convention with an intentionally Retraux feel; many 18th- and 19th-century (and occasionally, early 20th-century) works had extended titles which pretty much summed up the main events of the installment. When this trope is played straight, it's basically a pastiche or parody of what used to be a serious writing convention, and not as likely to be taken seriously today. For a title to count as an example, it has to thoroughly describe what happens using either very formal or outdated-sounding words and grammar, whether that means randomly capitalized words, semicolons instead of commas, gerunds instead of nouns (e.g. "using" instead of "usage" or "use") or stilted conjunctions and adverbs like "wherein" or "being." By definition, any straight example of this trope is also an example of Exactly What It Says on the Tin and Antiquated Linguistics, and usually also Spoiler Title and/or Long Title. Compare with the Either/Or Title, which also has a very Retraux feel. Easily subverted if the title doesn't match up with what happens, making it a straight example of a Nonindicative Name. Not to be confused with a Word Salad Title, which is more like an inversion of this trope.
edited 21st May '12 2:45:37 PM by NaphthaTurisas
Post XVIII: In which Lu asks if this thread will move to improve the pageAny thoughts on ?
Wherein concurrence is given.That looks good to me! I like the longer, more standard description. Playful is fine, but in this case it's just killing the clarity. Especially if you aren't particularly familiar with Victorian novels or the writings that parody the style.
edited 29th Jun '12 8:10:25 AM by Escher