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LGBT Rights and Religion:

Discussion of religion in the context of LGBT rights is only allowed in this thread.

Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBT rights..." threads.

Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.

edited 4th Oct '13 8:26:43 AM by Madrugada

 15476 Morgikit, Sat, 15th Mar '14 8:42:46 AM from Lavender Town Relationship Status: In season
 15477 Silasw, Thu, 27th Mar '14 1:28:43 PM from The UNITED Kingdom Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Globalist Bunny
Bringing this over from the LGBT Rights Worldwide thread so it can be talked about more freely (though if we want to talk about it without religious reference the Gay Marriage in Britain thread[1] would probably be a good place).

The Church of England has given in and will allow priests to both marry and conduct marriages. [2]
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael

"If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
 15478 Zendervai, Thu, 27th Mar '14 2:46:42 PM from North Toronto Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Eccentric Dreamer
Good for them!

Because, honestly, the more I think about it, the more uncomfortable the "generic" Christian position on homosexuality makes me. I'm throwing it out of my own beliefs, since there basically are no arguments against it that still hold up today. In Roman times, I can sort of get the ban, because the way those relationships tended to work sounds extremely unhealthy, in a psychological sense (that is, based completely around domination), but today, that would be considered abuse. Unless of course both parties are into that.

Of course, the other reason I want to throw it out is because I think that I might be gay. I'm not sure where to mention this, so I'm just putting it here. If anyone knows where it goes, please let me know.

edited 27th Mar '14 3:09:26 PM by Zendervai

Everyone is a little bit insane. It makes the world so much more interesting!
 15479 Gabrael, Thu, 27th Mar '14 3:07:26 PM from My musings Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
[up] You're fine sweets! And we are all here to support and encourage you as you work out your feelings and discover for yourself whatever the outcome.

Take time and have faith in your own self! Good luck! (Hugs)
Upon death, I want to be cremated and blown in the face of my enemies.
 15480 Zendervai, Thu, 27th Mar '14 3:10:48 PM from North Toronto Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Eccentric Dreamer
[up] Thanks. (Hug back).

[down] It actually was intentional. tongue

edited 27th Mar '14 3:20:39 PM by Zendervai

Everyone is a little bit insane. It makes the world so much more interesting!
 15481 Elfive, Thu, 27th Mar '14 3:19:13 PM from London
Pirate Zombie
That does explain your current Relationship Status thing, I suppose.
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 15482 Achaemenid, Thu, 27th Mar '14 3:21:59 PM from my desk. Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Tik, tok, feed the Крок.
[up][up]

Oh look, we've recruited another one tongue

As Gabrael said - you're absolutely fine. If you want anything, ask. [tup]

edited 27th Mar '14 3:22:24 PM by Achaemenid

Quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat.
 15483 Zendervai, Thu, 27th Mar '14 6:39:27 PM from North Toronto Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Eccentric Dreamer
Thank you all. I haven't told my family yet, or most of the people I know...I did tell one person I trust not to spread it around without my permission (and she hasn't, it's well placed trust), but she just tried to give me the "You just haven't met the right girl yet!" speech, which I suppose isn't the worst reaction, but it's still not great. My entire social circle is Christian. That makes this so awkward. Especially if they ask how I figured it out. Double feature of 300 and Immortals. Not sure what that says about me. I'm just waiting until a good moment, or at least not a really awkward one.

edited 27th Mar '14 6:40:32 PM by Zendervai

Everyone is a little bit insane. It makes the world so much more interesting!
 15484 nightwyrm zero, Thu, 27th Mar '14 10:46:43 PM Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
World Vision US flip flops on relaxing ban on employing gay people due to funding loss.

Coz, you know, fuck starving children.

As one blogger put it so well:
Way to cave in to the people who would rather let children starve than allow gay people to help feed them.

edited 27th Mar '14 10:52:54 PM by nightwyrm_zero

 15485 deathpigeon, Fri, 28th Mar '14 1:12:47 AM from Bread, It Is Bread that the Revolution Needs! Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Kaspar the Friendly Spook
Honestly, I don't blame the organization. They were faced with the decision of letting people starve or not discriminating against gay people. I blame the people who forced them to make that decision.
My Blog.

ACAB.

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 15486 Elfive, Fri, 28th Mar '14 2:16:51 AM from London
Pirate Zombie
[up][up][up]The typical snarky response to that one is "Yeah, none of them had a penis" or something along those lines.
I have a tumblr. Read at your own risk. Of what, I have no idea.
[up][up] Seriously? The decision they were forced to make was "stop discriminating against gays" or "stop helping children" or "find someone else to fund you, bloody bigots". I blame the organization for choosing #2 over #3.

 15488 Elfive, Fri, 28th Mar '14 3:04:52 AM from London
Pirate Zombie
[up]I'm detecting large quantities of sarcasm in this[up][up][up] sector, Captain...

edited 28th Mar '14 3:05:25 AM by Elfive

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 15489 Medinoc, Fri, 28th Mar '14 3:43:39 AM from France
I want Kat's glasses!
[up][up]Uhm, I thought they did choose #3 with their big donation drive.

I blame them for choosing #2/#3 over #1.
They Called Me Mad!! I decided to show them all; but when I looked on my works, oh mighty, I despaired: for it made me realize they were right.
 15490 Zendervai, Fri, 28th Mar '14 10:56:36 AM from North Toronto Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Eccentric Dreamer
Sorry to drag it back to me again, but my Mom just asked me point blank if I was gay. She finally noticed my trying to figure out her position on it. So I said yes, because while I hadn't said anything before, I wasn't going to lie.

I got a whole speech about how I should expect to be celibate my whole life because sex outside of marriage is a sin and because marriage is only between a man and a woman.

There are worse reactions, but if I meet the right guy and there's mutual interest, I'm probably not going to say no to a relationship.
Everyone is a little bit insane. It makes the world so much more interesting!
 15491 Antiteilchen, Fri, 28th Mar '14 11:07:44 AM from inside a tank
My sympathies. Is there no chance of convincig your mom that sex outside of marriage hasn't to be a sin? As in, sex outside of marriage is bad because it can lead to children out of wedlock but that obviously doesn't apply to gays. The easiest way to convince others is by letting there core beliefs intact (sex outside of marriage=bad) while shifting the boundaries for that.

Euo will do!
[up][up]Gay marriage. It's not exactly a new fad, even if a lot of places are only just coming to terms with the fact it's legit: point that out.

And, she's going to have to come to terms with it at some point. It'll be a rough ride for both you and her getting there, though, from the sound of it. -_- Good luck, mate. But, she may surprise you.

Nothing shakes foundations like finding out your little boy is still your little boy and won't stop being your little boy even after the bombshell forcing you to shift your view has struck.

edited 28th Mar '14 11:42:24 AM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
 15493 Zendervai, Fri, 28th Mar '14 1:03:29 PM from North Toronto Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Eccentric Dreamer
[up][up] Convincing my family that me being in a relationship isn't bad will be quite difficult. At least it's only made things kind of awkward. And she's admitted that there's no argument against dating, or really anything short of sex itself. So I guess that's a start.
Everyone is a little bit insane. It makes the world so much more interesting!
 15494 Sixthhokage1, Fri, 28th Mar '14 1:13:50 PM from Fort Worth, TX Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Zen: The "A single unified LGBT conversation" thread in Yack Fest is another place here where you could get support from the community. smile

If I'm thinking correctly, nowhere in the Bible is there a verse regarding premarital sex, and all explicit statements of it being a sin are additions to doctrine made solely by mankind. Then again, I'm not much of an expert on biblical law given my rejection of biblical literalism.

 15495 Elfive, Fri, 28th Mar '14 1:17:18 PM from London
Pirate Zombie
If you never get married then it's not premarital anyway.
I have a tumblr. Read at your own risk. Of what, I have no idea.
 15496 Sixthhokage1, Fri, 28th Mar '14 1:21:09 PM from Fort Worth, TX Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Well, this being the usage of "premarital sex" as a catch-all for any sex between unmarried people. Though the term is technically incorrect, yes :P

 15497 Madrugada, Fri, 28th Mar '14 2:02:45 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Elfive, since you've made this statement
If you never get married then it's not premarital anyway.
before, I feel the need to point out that it's factually and logically horsepucky. "Premarital" means "before marriage": if you never marry, all sex you have is, by definition, premarital — the sex happened before your marriage did.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
 15498 Elfive, Fri, 28th Mar '14 2:27:50 PM from London
Pirate Zombie
I think you'll find it's linguistic horsepucky, thank you very much.
I have a tumblr. Read at your own risk. Of what, I have no idea.
 15499 Antiteilchen, Fri, 28th Mar '14 2:59:51 PM from inside a tank
And she's admitted that there's no argument against dating, or really anything short of sex itself
That's a start. Ask her where cuddling ends and sex begins. And then why that distinction suddenly makes the action sinful.

if you never marry, all sex you have is, by definition, premarital
No. Premarital implies that you will get married. Otherwise everyone is in the pretransition state of sex reassignment surgery even though most people have no intention of ever doing so. The "pre-"prefix always implies an after.

 15500 Elfive, Fri, 28th Mar '14 3:17:40 PM from London
Pirate Zombie
"I was just cuddling his penis... with my butt."
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