LGBT Rights and Religion:

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Discussion of religion in the context of LGBT rights is only allowed in this thread.

Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBT rights..." threads.

Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.

edited 4th Oct '13 8:26:43 AM by Madrugada

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I'm sure another red liquid could be substituted. Faygo, Perhaps?
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14227 ohsointocats18th Oct 2013 07:09:30 AM from The Sand Wastes , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
I am not saying a blessing over Faygo.
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We are not the Subjugglators, leave the Faygo for the Dark Carnival :P
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14229 soban18th Oct 2013 07:12:14 AM from The Park , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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@OSIC, to be honest? Yes, I would. I feel that there is an equivocation between wine and grape juice in the Bible. So grape juice can be substituted with no religious issues. I don't know about other religions but I'd be willing to bet they are similar.
As is in accordance with prophecy.
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It gets transmuted to blood anyway, so what does it matter what it was before you swallowed it?
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14231 ohsointocats18th Oct 2013 07:19:31 AM from The Sand Wastes , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
That's only for Catholics. Jews don't do that whole pretend cannibalism thing.
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True. Who would they eat?
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14233 ohsointocats18th Oct 2013 07:22:35 AM from The Sand Wastes , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
I suppose there are plenty of prophets, but none of them are kosher.

Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.Thumped.
14235 Jhimmibhob18th Oct 2013 09:16:39 AM from Where the tea is sweet, and the cornbread ain't , Relationship Status: My own grandpa
I'm pretty sure that the mere existence of a dubious argument doesn't automatically win the debate for the other side, who can then declare victory and go home. (If it does, I'm really ticked ... because I've heard a hundred different arguments that I could have called a universal winner on and stopped forever.)
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14236 muramasan1318th Oct 2013 09:45:09 AM , Relationship Status: Not war
Jhimmi: True; there can always be bad arguments for good conclusions. But if one sees nothing but bad arguments for a position, one must begin to wonder if that's because there are no good arguments for it.

I am not saying a blessing over Faygo.

Just make the communion wafers about forty times bigger, then cover them in tomato sauce and cheese. Attendance will skyrocket.

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14237 TobiasDrake18th Oct 2013 11:10:52 AM from Colorado, USA , Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Faygo and giant communion wafers. Are we sure this is a blessing and not, say, getting the munchies after too many hits of the bong?
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14238 LDragon218th Oct 2013 11:18:37 AM from Pandora , Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ZOMG TEH REI!!!!
[up][up][up][up] I'm not trying to be homophobic. I was just stating what I believe.

Also, in what way have I failed to appear rational to you?

edited 18th Oct '13 11:19:20 AM by LDragon2

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@L Dragon 2: By saying God works in mysterious ways, you state that humans cannot rationally understand God or their actions. Thus you deny every examination and/or discussion based on rationality.
14240 Matues18th Oct 2013 11:33:49 AM from eye on the horizon , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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14241 TobiasDrake18th Oct 2013 11:35:17 AM from Colorado, USA , Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
"God works in mysterious ways," is basically a blanket rejection of every possible argument, because it can be used to justify literally everything.
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14242 Wildcard18th Oct 2013 11:45:59 AM from Somewhere in the galaxy
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@L Dragon: I don't think you are homophobic. But the "God Works in mysterious ways" argument is considered really crude and not even worth responding to if the one who uses it is attempting to use it seriously. I'll willing talk about it however.

If you believe that it in God's design for men and woman to fit together than why is homosexuality observed in many other creatures? They were designed with the same sex yet they practice homosexuality.
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I think Jim Jefferies said it best:

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14244 LDragon218th Oct 2013 12:01:03 PM from Pandora , Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ZOMG TEH REI!!!!
"By saying God works in mysterious ways, you state that humans cannot rationally understand God or their actions. Thus you deny every examination and/or discussion based on rationality."

Ah, I see. Didn't see it like that, so I'll try and word my opinions in a more rational manner.

Also, at the risk of sounding irrational, I believe that we as humans are not animals, or at least in terms of our soul.
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14245 Wildcard18th Oct 2013 12:07:02 PM from Somewhere in the galaxy
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I don't buy it honestly. Why would he create one species with a great soul and all others without?
Whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there. With open arms and open eyes.
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[up][up]You won't sound irrational as long as you back that assertion up with a decent rationale.

I assume you believe what you do for some reason, and I'm honestly interested as to what that is. Although it's probably best if you answer in the general theology thread.

edited 18th Oct '13 12:09:13 PM by Elfive

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14247 LDragon218th Oct 2013 12:09:19 PM from Pandora , Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ZOMG TEH REI!!!!
[up][up] Not saying the others don't, but in terms of capacity to think, make choices, an decide between good and bad, humans are much more different.

[up] Got it.

edited 18th Oct '13 12:09:46 PM by LDragon2

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Honestly that line of thinking is on shakier ground every day. The more we learn about animals the more we see that they're just like us, for better and for worse. It's reassuring and horrifying at the same time.

edited 18th Oct '13 12:13:04 PM by Elfive

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14249 muramasan1318th Oct 2013 12:14:38 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
Also, at the risk of sounding irrational, I believe that we as humans are not animals, or at least in terms of our soul.

Rationality isn't about sounding reasonable; it's about critically examining ideas and beliefs, no matter how cherished or long-standing they may be, and discarding them if they are not supported by tangible evidence.

When you can isolate a soul in a centrifuge, or accurately determine its properties by objective measurement, or measure its quantity and location with reliable and impartial methods, then it will not be irrational to believe in souls.

Until and unless such a thing occurs, it's exactly as rational as believing in the Tooth Fairy.
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14250 LDragon218th Oct 2013 12:16:56 PM from Pandora , Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ZOMG TEH REI!!!!
[up][up] Can you give me some examples?
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