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LGBT Rights and Religion:

Discussion of religion in the context of LGBT rights is only allowed in this thread.

Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBT rights..." threads.

Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.

edited 4th Oct '13 8:26:43 AM by Madrugada

 14226 Elfive, Fri, 18th Oct '13 7:08:25 AM from London
yarr
I'm sure another red liquid could be substituted. Faygo, Perhaps?
 14227 Oh So Into Cats, Fri, 18th Oct '13 7:09:30 AM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
CANON!!
I am not saying a blessing over Faygo.
"Beware of the wolves. They were raised by wolves."

Eidolonomics: ~60.4k/100,000 words
 14228 Sixthhokage1, Fri, 18th Oct '13 7:10:58 AM from Fort Worth, TX Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
We are not the Subjugglators, leave the Faygo for the Dark Carnival :P

 14229 soban, Fri, 18th Oct '13 7:12:14 AM from The Park Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Feeder Of Pigeons
@OSIC, to be honest? Yes, I would. I feel that there is an equivocation between wine and grape juice in the Bible. So grape juice can be substituted with no religious issues. I don't know about other religions but I'd be willing to bet they are similar.
As is in accordance with prophecy.
 14230 Elfive, Fri, 18th Oct '13 7:18:02 AM from London
yarr
It gets transmuted to blood anyway, so what does it matter what it was before you swallowed it?
 14231 Oh So Into Cats, Fri, 18th Oct '13 7:19:31 AM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
CANON!!
That's only for Catholics. Jews don't do that whole pretend cannibalism thing.
"Beware of the wolves. They were raised by wolves."

Eidolonomics: ~60.4k/100,000 words
 14232 Elfive, Fri, 18th Oct '13 7:21:05 AM from London
 14233 Oh So Into Cats, Fri, 18th Oct '13 7:22:35 AM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
CANON!!
I suppose there are plenty of prophets, but none of them are kosher.
"Beware of the wolves. They were raised by wolves."

Eidolonomics: ~60.4k/100,000 words

Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.Thumped.

 14235 Jhimmibhob, Fri, 18th Oct '13 9:16:39 AM from Arm's reach of the julep machine Relationship Status: My own grandpa
I'm pretty sure that the mere existence of a dubious argument doesn't automatically win the debate for the other side, who can then declare victory and go home. (If it does, I'm really ticked ... because I've heard a hundred different arguments that I could have called a universal winner on and stopped forever.)
"She was the kind of dame they write similes about." —Pterodactyl Jones
 14236 muramasan 13, Fri, 18th Oct '13 9:45:09 AM Relationship Status: Not war
Jhimmi: True; there can always be bad arguments for good conclusions. But if one sees nothing but bad arguments for a position, one must begin to wonder if that's because there are no good arguments for it.

I am not saying a blessing over Faygo.

Just make the communion wafers about forty times bigger, then cover them in tomato sauce and cheese. Attendance will skyrocket.

Smile for me!
 14237 Tobias Drake, Fri, 18th Oct '13 11:10:52 AM from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Black Dragon
Faygo and giant communion wafers. Are we sure this is a blessing and not, say, getting the munchies after too many hits of the bong?
 14238 L Dragon 2, Fri, 18th Oct '13 11:18:37 AM from Pandora Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ZOMG TEH REI!!!!
[up][up][up][up] I'm not trying to be homophobic. I was just stating what I believe.

Also, in what way have I failed to appear rational to you?

edited 18th Oct '13 11:19:20 AM by LDragon2

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 14239 Antiteilchen, Fri, 18th Oct '13 11:33:08 AM from Switzerland
@L Dragon 2: By saying God works in mysterious ways, you state that humans cannot rationally understand God or their actions. Thus you deny every examination and/or discussion based on rationality.
A nation is a society united by a delusion about its ancestry and by a common hatred of its neighbours.
 14240 Matues, Fri, 18th Oct '13 11:33:49 AM Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
What's the defect?
 14241 Tobias Drake, Fri, 18th Oct '13 11:35:17 AM from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Black Dragon
"God works in mysterious ways, " is basically a blanket rejection of every possible argument, because it can be used to justify literally everything.
 14242 Wildcard, Fri, 18th Oct '13 11:45:59 AM from Somewhere in the galaxy
Go! Fly! Win!
@L Dragon: I don't think you are homophobic. But the "God Works in mysterious ways" argument is considered really crude and not even worth responding to if the one who uses it is attempting to use it seriously. I'll willing talk about it however.

If you believe that it in God's design for men and woman to fit together than why is homosexuality observed in many other creatures? They were designed with the same sex yet they practice homosexuality.
Whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there. With open arms and open eyes.
 14243 Elfive, Fri, 18th Oct '13 11:49:00 AM from London
 14244 L Dragon 2, Fri, 18th Oct '13 12:01:03 PM from Pandora Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ZOMG TEH REI!!!!
"By saying God works in mysterious ways, you state that humans cannot rationally understand God or their actions. Thus you deny every examination and/or discussion based on rationality."

Ah, I see. Didn't see it like that, so I'll try and word my opinions in a more rational manner.

Also, at the risk of sounding irrational, I believe that we as humans are not animals, or at least in terms of our soul.
Proud fanboy of anime/video games/scifi. Oh and of Rei Ayanami XD
 14245 Wildcard, Fri, 18th Oct '13 12:07:02 PM from Somewhere in the galaxy
Go! Fly! Win!
I don't buy it honestly. Why would he create one species with a great soul and all others without?
Whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there. With open arms and open eyes.
 14246 Elfive, Fri, 18th Oct '13 12:07:41 PM from London
yarr
[up][up]You won't sound irrational as long as you back that assertion up with a decent rationale.

I assume you believe what you do for some reason, and I'm honestly interested as to what that is. Although it's probably best if you answer in the general theology thread.

edited 18th Oct '13 12:09:13 PM by Elfive

 14247 L Dragon 2, Fri, 18th Oct '13 12:09:19 PM from Pandora Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ZOMG TEH REI!!!!
[up][up] Not saying the others don't, but in terms of capacity to think, make choices, an decide between good and bad, humans are much more different.

[up] Got it.

edited 18th Oct '13 12:09:46 PM by LDragon2

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 14248 Elfive, Fri, 18th Oct '13 12:12:44 PM from London
yarr
Honestly that line of thinking is on shakier ground every day. The more we learn about animals the more we see that they're just like us, for better and for worse. It's reassuring and horrifying at the same time.

edited 18th Oct '13 12:13:04 PM by Elfive

 14249 muramasan 13, Fri, 18th Oct '13 12:14:38 PM Relationship Status: Not war
Also, at the risk of sounding irrational, I believe that we as humans are not animals, or at least in terms of our soul.

Rationality isn't about sounding reasonable; it's about critically examining ideas and beliefs, no matter how cherished or long-standing they may be, and discarding them if they are not supported by tangible evidence.

When you can isolate a soul in a centrifuge, or accurately determine its properties by objective measurement, or measure its quantity and location with reliable and impartial methods, then it will not be irrational to believe in souls.

Until and unless such a thing occurs, it's exactly as rational as believing in the Tooth Fairy.
Smile for me!
 14250 L Dragon 2, Fri, 18th Oct '13 12:16:56 PM from Pandora Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ZOMG TEH REI!!!!
[up][up] Can you give me some examples?
Proud fanboy of anime/video games/scifi. Oh and of Rei Ayanami XD
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