LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion

Gabrael is a photographer...I will go pm her and ask her the legal options for her.

@Soban- They don't have that right because what they find distasteful is people who (are starting to) belong to a protected class.

Not to trot out the obvious, but if you considered interracial marriage distasteful because of your religion that wouldn't give you a right to discriminate.

I see it as different (i.e. worse) for an employer to force an employee to do something versus a business being "forced" to take clients (what an awful punishment)- which they really aren't being, as the issue wouldn't come up if the photographer wasn't open about why he was refusing that business.

edited 10th Sep '13 1:41:32 PM by Hodor

So if a gay employee at Chick-Fil-A refuses to take part in the company prayer, they should be punished, yes? Because, you know, you work a job and can't refuse to do something because of your conscience, right?

That kinda settles that.

edited 10th Sep '13 1:41:03 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

Thats the downside to working at chick-fil-a, yes.

Hm, strange, there is no record that Chick-Fil-A punishes anyone for not taking part in the company prayer.

Natch.

edited 10th Sep '13 1:43:12 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

That's becuase Chick-fil-A is not stupid.

Company prayer? Seriously, this is a thing that exists?

Joe: I could dig through the thread and find the article, or try googling it...but I really don't feel inclined to at this point. Why I care if you folks think I'm a liar as well as a pervert is beyond me.

"Lord we ask that you would save us from grease burns, unpleasble customers and noisy kids. Help us not to give into the temptation to spit in their food." ~speaks in tongues~

edited 10th Sep '13 1:50:10 PM by Morgikit

Side effects of refusing to do what your boss says can include loss of employment.

This is why certain laws exist to define what you can be asked to do.

There are different levels of freedom when it comes to services.

I cannot refuse a patient for any reason if I am still at the public hospital. I can ask to be recused, but I need a damn good reason, such as my experience isn't fitting with the client or something like that. If I refuse on superficial grounds like religion, race, or something like that I can be stripped of my license and fired. (Or criminal charges)

Different businesses have different levels of autonomy.

A private club is private for a reason. Burger King is different. If you want to be freelance, almost regardless of the act (phototography, web design, etc) you have different levels of licenses, contracts, and obligations to go with it.

Pick what suits you. You want to have a more restricted clientele? Get the appropriate paperwork for it.

Morg, I don't think of you as a liar or a pervert. I hope you don't think similar things about me. I think you are very sincere in what you believe, like I am. At the end of the day, I like you. I love to see how other people think, and you help me with that.

Is this the article you keep mentioning?

How Hospitals Treat Same-Sex Couples

@Taking pictures of gay marriages Replace dislike for taking pictures of homosexuals with dislike of taking pictures of black people and then ask if it's just. That's your answer.

edited 10th Sep '13 1:57:07 PM by Ringsea

Replce taking pictures of homosexuality with having to engage in public prayer.

Not so simple an answer now is it?

i'm not calling you a Liar, morg, and I don't know where you got the pervert thing from, It's just that as a catholic I rather dislike the fact that people act like we're some kind of evil demons.

and The fact of the matter is, that sounds like a made up story. I'm not blaming you, whoever you heard it from probably made it up or something, because I can't find one shred of evidence for it, and I'm sure if it really happened someone would have made a big deal out of it.

Also, "~speaks in tongues~" Oh THAT'S mature.

Meh. on the one hand, something that could be against their beliefs, on the other, words that if you don't believe them hold no meaning to you and a minute or so where your getting paid while not actually working.

edited 10th Sep '13 2:01:34 PM by Joesolo

No Soban that is not the article, but it illustrates the point I was making: that hospitals discriminate against LGBTs. Apparently Polar's is different.

It's possible the article was a lie, Joe. It's possible all news articles are fabricated. Maybe this conversation is all in my imagination. But I doubt it.

edited 10th Sep '13 2:05:04 PM by Morgikit

My religion forbids apostasy.

for starters, it doesn't seem to exist.

Yea, that's screwed up though. And it's not specifically Catholic hospitals it's hospitals across the board near as I can tell.

I think that's implied in most.

edited 10th Sep '13 2:04:12 PM by Joesolo

Okay, let's slow this down a minute. Nobody is calling anybody a liar. And certainly, noboyd thinks anybody is a pervert. No one is offending anybody by saying "I'm skeptical of that, do you have any links?"

With that said, we should perhaps lay off someone saying discrimination happens in this particular way with "I call bullshit."

We are not face to face. We are reading each others' posts on an internet forum; there is no such thing as facial cues, tone of voice, or vocal inflection. A better choice of words might be "That's interesting. Are you referring to a specific occurrence, and do you have any citations for it?"

Little things that make a big difference between a snipe-fest and a forum where we learn and engage each other.

thanks for that, I was kind of getting in a mood. Brought me down a bit.

I still don't believe the whole "wouldn't treat a man who had aids", though.

Here you go.

Where the discussion started.

And there's the article.

edited 10th Sep '13 2:12:27 PM by Morgikit

I found this article. Maybe this one is the one in mind?

Its not quite the same thing as refusing to treat because the patient had AIDS (more like the person didn't believe that an AIDS treatment existed). Although the protest was by a gay rights group, the article doesn't mention whether the refusal was because of malice or stupidity.

Edit- Ninjaed by an article on a different instance.

edited 10th Sep '13 2:11:48 PM by Hodor

Let me be clear.

The public hospital I was reffering to was the state mental hospital. Basically a Looney Bin.

My rules are different than say a Catholic Hospital refusing to give an emergency abortion or blood transfusion.

Now that I am in private practice, things are different. I can refuse patients with slightly more freedom, but the cost of a dishonest refusal (like thinking gays are squick) means I can be sued on top of losing all my credentials and being sacked

Catholic Hospital Denies Gay Man HIV Medicine This one is interesting.

Any more on that? The article speaks of an incident with one doctor and the day or so after. What happened after that?

Thats it? Awfully short article. Didn't even have a basic explanation of the treatment.

edited 10th Sep '13 2:13:54 PM by Joesolo