LGBT Rights and Religion:

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Discussion of religion in the context of LGBT rights is only allowed in this thread.

Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBT rights..." threads.

Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.

edited 4th Oct '13 8:26:43 AM by Madrugada

12051 Achaemenid12th Jun 2013 11:02:54 AM from Teutoburger Wald , Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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Interestingly, though the BSA's policy on gay scouts seems to be relaxing, they show no sign of letting atheists or agnostics join.

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I have no idea. I imagine there will have been an unofficial ban on homosexual acts as not being morally correct for a Scout during the movement's early days. I imagine it wasn't acknowledged. Regardless, Scouting in the UK is very much pro-gay. I've seen people with t-shirts saying "Scout and Proud" etc.

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12052 BlueNinja012th Jun 2013 03:50:55 PM from My Favorite Spot on the Citadel , Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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@Polar: Nor do I think you should have to hide it. *shrug* You can still have your kids active in Scouting without being an official leader, and trust me, the ones who are official will welcome your help. Unless they're idiots.

In other news, the Gay Mafia has infiltrated the Vatican! I am totally shocked at these allegations.
if you put the whitest people in the U.S' blood in a bag and kicked it it would say "Ow" in about 5 different languages.
12053 Ninety12th Jun 2013 04:28:03 PM from Land of Quakes and Hills , Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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Goddammit, Francis. You were doing so well.
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12054 RadicalTaoist12th Jun 2013 09:00:01 PM from the #GUniverse
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No he wasn't, he was just keeping his mouth shut.
12055 DrunkGirlfriend12th Jun 2013 10:37:20 PM from Castle Geekhaven
[up] Same thing?
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12056 Matues12th Jun 2013 10:43:07 PM from Mars , Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
What is this forum so sudden and new?
Oh, Frannie, now I have to dislike you. :<
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12057 deathpigeon13th Jun 2013 03:21:43 AM from Everything sacred is a tie, a fetter. , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
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Dammit. I was starting to like him, what with the "atheists can get into heaven" and the socialist rhetoric, but then he has to go and ruin it by making up homophobic conspiracy theo-

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...Wait, why am I complaining? I love hating on the Pope!
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12058 Silasw13th Jun 2013 03:47:00 AM from The UNITED Kingdom , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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At least he's admitted that there are gay priests within the Vatican. Even if he's done it in a pretty bad way.
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12059 pagad13th Jun 2013 03:56:46 AM from perfidious Albion , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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12060 CaptainKatsura13th Jun 2013 04:44:40 AM from    Poland   
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They don't let atheists and agnostics join? You must be joking? Even in country plagued with fruitcakes like Poland, our Scout Association is secular. To such extent that some fruitcakes founded their own, fringe association because the main Scout Association is "godless"
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12061 BlueNinja013th Jun 2013 05:00:47 AM from My Favorite Spot on the Citadel , Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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[up] One of the twelve main tenets of boy scouts is "Reverent."* The scout oath also has us swearing to be "morally straight" and for most of human history, morality has been in the hands of the religious leaders. Note that neither of these by themselves bans homosexuality; morally straight =/= sexually straight, I think we can all agree, but because so many religions have treated those two as equivalent, therefore so has scouting. With public (and religious) opinions changing, scouting will too ... eventually. tongue

Letting atheists in, however, is probably not going to happen in the near future.* The overwhelming majority of scouting groups are hosted and usually partially funded by religious organizations, because so many secular groups don't want to. Hopefully with the whole Southern Baptist thing, some secular groups will step up and host scouting, giving them both insight and a greater voice to change BSA.

edited 13th Jun '13 5:03:45 AM by BlueNinja0

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12062 CaptainKatsura13th Jun 2013 05:05:42 AM from    Poland   
Decoy
There are references to God in Polish Scout Association as well, but frankly, no one gives a fuck, at least in my region. Fruitcakes are not majority here.
My President is Funny Valentine.
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I wonder if you could get into the scouts if you claimed to worship a hand puppet?
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12064 Matues13th Jun 2013 01:57:15 PM from Mars , Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
What is this forum so sudden and new?
Yeah, the papers are still talking about the boy scouts here.

The Baptists are in an uproar.
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12066 BlueNinja013th Jun 2013 03:40:19 PM from My Favorite Spot on the Citadel , Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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I wonder if you could get into the scouts if you claimed to worship a hand puppet? - Elfive
I doubt it. AFAIK, claiming the Flying Spaghetti Monster also does not work, but there's no call to be a part of any specific religion that I'm aware of.

[up] I'm mad that the Baptists are taking away something positive from the lives of hundreds of thousands of teens and adults because they feel petty about BSA taking a baby step into the 21st century.
if you put the whitest people in the U.S' blood in a bag and kicked it it would say "Ow" in about 5 different languages.
12067 AnSTH13th Jun 2013 03:48:50 PM , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Bitching about change is what conservatives do.

They see it as a threat to their way of life. Which it is. No more white christian straight men automatically being superior to everyone else and entitled to everything they want is something they don't want to happen.
But that's a story for another time.
12068 Morgikit13th Jun 2013 04:05:04 PM from    Alabama    , Relationship Status: In season
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3x[up][up][up]More like "I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that discrimination is going on today in Christian churches! This completely goes against the teachings of the Bible (debatable), and the Real True Christians are behind you 100%. Insert Star Trek reference."
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12069 RadicalTaoist13th Jun 2013 04:52:12 PM from the #GUniverse
12070 Matues13th Jun 2013 05:24:28 PM from Mars , Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
What is this forum so sudden and new?
I agree.

Grenades are the way to go.
The rain in Spain tend to drain the brain of sane.
12071 AnSTH13th Jun 2013 05:40:56 PM , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
But sniping is the only thing I'm good at (in games)! One shot, one kill. Very ammo conservative. Wait, conservative... damn.
But that's a story for another time.
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I suck at sniping, much too impatient for that.

And I'm way too unsubtle for the other kind of sniping, outside of games. tongue
12073 Wildcard14th Jun 2013 08:28:23 AM from Somewhere in the galaxy
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Anyone think at least trying to take some of the Christian influence out of public schools will stop the bullying of LGBT or at least cut it back? I mean if we didn't allow fear mongers like that "Abstinence or else you'll die" woman in, keep The Bible in theology classes and remove the stupid "Under God" part of the pledge, (I don't care if your a Christian you don't get preferential treatment in a national pledge in what is supposed to be a neutral nation. Especially since those two words were added out of Cold War Paranoia).

I mean it probably won't make the bullies less violent, but it might at least stop schools from allowing this kind of thing to go on, or might stop teens from feeling the school is on the bullies side (not always inaccurate) when they don't have to hear about gays going to hell.

edited 14th Jun '13 8:31:20 AM by Wildcard

Whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there. With open arms and open eyes.
12074 DrunkGirlfriend14th Jun 2013 08:32:03 AM from Castle Geekhaven
[up] In the long run? Maybe. Bullying would probably get even worse in the short term though, considering how many people are ALREADY pissed off about the "lack of God" in schools (see, all the people who said the Newton shooting was due to no prayer in schools).

edited 14th Jun '13 8:32:51 AM by DrunkGirlfriend

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12075 Wildcard14th Jun 2013 08:36:49 AM from Somewhere in the galaxy
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Oh yes the "lack of God" in schools when it's in the pledge and in science classes and the majority of students are Christian. Then they cry "your shoving the gay agenda on us" when a gay teacher isn't fired.

Massive Double Standard. Nobody should complain about the lack of God in public schools until we get the pledge back to it's original state, keep science class for scientifically backed information, and when some schools don't have prayer in graduations.

edited 14th Jun '13 8:37:32 AM by Wildcard

Whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there. With open arms and open eyes.

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