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A friendly reminder:

 1 Meta Four, Sat, 7th Apr '12 4:38:51 PM from the house of bread and battle Get RP Mod
With Mod Hat On
The forum rules apply here just as much as they do on the rest of the forum. One of the big rules is "Nastiness and dickery will not be tolerated".

From the guiding principle of "Don't be a dick", many more specific rules can be derived. These include (but are by no means limited to):
  • Private messages are supposed to be private. If a person PM's a message to you, and you share that with a third party without their permission, that's a violation of trust. This may be grounds for immediate removal of PM privileges.
  • Passive aggression is still a form of personal attack and thus will not be tolerated.
  • If you have a grievance against another user, tell the mods so they can deal with it. Dick behavior does not suddenly become okay if directed towards someone who "deserved" it. It is the moderators' job to deal with jerks on the board—and it is also our job to deal with the internet vigilantes and lynch mobs who take it upon themselves to punish the aforementioned jerks.

I'm certain that many of you are already following these rules without needing to be reminded. To you I say, Thanks. Carry on and have fun.

edited 7th Apr '12 9:03:47 PM by Willbyr

If there is an RPG thread that can be interpreted as pedo-friendly in any way, like say for instance having a player character described as a "lusty ten year old", RPG play will be forbidden in the forums altogether.

Report anything like that immediately so that a mod can nuke it before I see it.

edited 7th Dec '13 2:59:11 PM by FastEddie

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Got a PM I want to share with you:

You created this post after a gross violation of the rules. It was a terrible thing, but then anything remotely similar needs to be eradicated. But for those of us that follow the rules, that are legitimate RPers, have reason to worry. I certainly am worried.

Because right now as the situation stands, if one post violates the rules and then is reported the RP forums will be erased. Years of work erased in the blink of an eye because possibly some troll made the post on purpose and then on a separate account reported that post directly to you rather than to an RP mod.

I've talked to Daltar, to my understanding the situation isn't like this. But that is what it looks like, and it will continue to feel like this as long as nothing more is said by you publicly in the same location you made the threat. Because it feels so badly, its good reason to move away from TV Tropes altogether. For those of us that have long running R Ps, we certainly don't want to risk ending the RP abruptly through no fault of our own. We have to consider the risks. Is it worth risking the entire RP being destroyed by moving offsite? Or is it worth having the entire RP being destroyed before we can do anything about it?

Please, clarify the situation in http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13338390280A20380100&page=1#3 so that we affected by it can decide on what to do. We don't want to take the risk of leaving this community which could destroy even the larger RPs.

Here is me reply:

Aye, if you think your RP might be mistaken for being pedo-friendly, you will want to move it off TV Tropes straightaway.

You do understand that hosting RPs was never the purpose of this wiki, don't you? We only carried them at all because it seemed like a thing conducive to thinking in terms of tropes.

Carrying RPs is an expense. Not a source of wiki support. An inability to control your RP to the minimal extent needed to not make it pedo-friendly is a clear sign your RP is not ready for civil publication and it will not be missed. Move it immediately.

Now, if you are saying that there are too few RP mods available to act on your reports quickly enough, that is another thing. We can enable more RP mods. I'm not in much of a mood to hear complaints about Daltar. I do agree that there may be more to do than one volunteer should be expected to do.

edited 9th Dec '13 2:25:26 AM by FastEddie

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Double posting because I am just that pissed off about all this that I can't get any sleep thinking about it. It has me that mad that it is going around in me head in me native Pavee.

I'd slap the lot of these baby likers so sudden their grams would wonder where all the white in their skin went, I would.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Double posting because I am just that pissed off about all this that I can't get any sleep thinking about it. It has me that mad that it is going around in me head in me native Pavee.

I'd slap the lot of these baby likers so sudden their grams would wonder where all the white in their skin went, I would.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
 7 stephanreiken, Mon, 9th Dec '13 4:17:06 AM from Hades Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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That is certainly something everyone can agree on.
 8 Game Spazzer, Mon, 9th Dec '13 7:29:25 AM from Against! The! Wall! Get RP Mod
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This has been a concern of mine as well — I am not concerned about actual paedophiles, who are dealt with quickly enough on the occasions that they do appear, but with the passing troll that sees that post and decides to go "lol watch me get this subforum nuked on this joss whedon asspie site".

I understand that you have no obligation to keep this part of the site running, but there are plenty of legitimate users here who do not deserve to be punished for the actions of one troll. Because in all likelihood, I feel like that's what the deathblow will be. It's like seeing a cake introduced in a family comedy. You have introduced the cake. There's no way in hell someone isn't getting pushed into it for shiggles now.

What daltar does, she does well. But between timezones and real life taking priority, she can't always be online. If creating a few more mods would not be too much trouble, it would be greatly appreciated. If it isn't my place to contribute my opinion, I'm sorry for butting in.
 9 Raidouthe21st, Mon, 9th Dec '13 8:13:01 AM from Absolutely whacking your friends Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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...I don't know of anyone in this forum who would ever want to deal with a "lusty ten year old". Especially not me. Although I know that my opinion doesn't matter much either.

I doubt anyone would squall at having additional mods around to help make sure things don't go down that road. Daltar's been very good at handling this, but it certainly couldn't hurt to have more help in general.

edited 9th Dec '13 8:20:09 AM by Raidouthe21st

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 10 Irene, Mon, 9th Dec '13 8:20:35 AM from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Love is an open door
Ridley
It really is easy to stop players from ever causing that kind of stuff to happen.

I think the honest best solution is 1 or 2 more RP Mods. Preferrably different time zones, but that's not entirely necessary either.
 11 desdendelle, Mon, 9th Dec '13 8:29:24 AM from /dev/null Get RP Mod Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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I agree with everyone saying that additional RP mods could be helpful; after all, Dalt is just one person.
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 12 mrminun, Mon, 9th Dec '13 8:39:11 AM from Nightvale Get RP Mod Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
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So, should we set up a new crowner to elect one or two more mods? I think that no matter how much we discuss our agreement, the only logical step from this point is to start choosing who to elect.
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 13 Irene, Mon, 9th Dec '13 8:40:16 AM from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Love is an open door
Ridley
We could re-open the old topic and set a new crowner?

That way we keep this topic more orientated towards the mini-announcements.
The Titleless
I agree that we need more mods. Daltar is an amazing mod, but having a few more good mods would help tremendously- and I know there are plenty of good tropers here who would gladly step up to keep the RP section sanitary and existing.
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 15 daltar, Mon, 9th Dec '13 9:43:50 AM from the fantasy of green. Get RP Mod Relationship Status: All is for my lord
The Maid
Weighting in on the situation...

If it's a matter of workload, I'll honestly say that Moderating the RP Forum is not as labor intensive as to require someone else to help around. Problems arise less then once a week on average and some times they get sorted out three posts after the report is the made and before I can even articulate a response. When big things do blow out, it takes only a cool head and a bit of time to handle what happens.

Now, if it's a matter of response time then I can't argue against that point. I can't be here all the time. It's now the Holidays and I'm on vacation so I should be around more than ever, but from September to November I was at the University and working on my thesis so my time here was greatly reduced. Even so, I never felt like the workload was too much too handle, though I didn't know whenever to feel good or bad that most problems sorted themselves out before I had a chance to step in.

Then again, perhaps someone could do the job better than I. I love my community, but I may be too lax and unsure to take action at times.

So that's my report on it. Whenever I should be replaced, should we get another RP Mod to increase response time or do nothing at all, I leave that choice in other hands.

Now, one thing I have to say is that I don't believe a troll would bring down this Forum. If a troll comes in and posts a pedophilic message, that won't be the straw that breaks the camel's back and cause the whole forum to disappear. Because that can be handled with a single ban and thump. The only thing that ought to worry you all would be our entire user base being made of pedophiles. Because that would warrant dropping the nuke on us.
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 16 Adannor, Mon, 9th Dec '13 9:45:58 AM from effin' belarus Get RP Mod
Whoooo?
It needs not only more mods, but even simply more reports. A report on an obviously pedo thread should have it nuked immediately. We can step that up.

You can PM Daltar with them. DBL I'm sure would also snap up to such threads.

Edit: aand ninja'd.

[down]See, guys? If you catch a troll thread, just grab the first mod you see online and they can help.

edited 9th Dec '13 11:39:32 AM by Adannor

 17 Madrugada, Mon, 9th Dec '13 10:29:33 AM Get RP Mod Relationship Status: In season
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Any mod can and will deal with a clearly problematic thread. It doesn't have to be only Daltar. The main reason that we have an RP-specific mod is much the same as the reason we have Best Of and Lu concentrating on OTC: they are a part of that sub-community and because of that, they are aware of and alert to nuances and interpersonal relationships there that the rest of us either missed or had to spend hours reading back in threads to learn.

That said, we aren't looking to add another RP moderator, but if you folks want to suggest someone, we're certainly open to suggestions of who you think would do a good job of it.
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 18 Parable, Mon, 9th Dec '13 12:22:34 PM from California Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Many Faces
Lack of hollers seems to be the ever present problem of the forum. Somewhat nice to know the RP sub-forum is not alone in that regard. For that matter we aren't alone in having warning such as this stickied at the top of our thread list, or even a second warning come to think of it.

The last RP flare up all the mods stepped in on was the result of actions coming from the same person that this one came from. Last time caused a fuss due to the suddenness in which the trouble makers were banned. When one of those same persons was banned again in this incident we were all told what the cause was and Eddie's decision was readily accepted and supported.

It was the follow-up concerning action against the RP board should another pedo-supporting post be found that alarmed some people. By and large most of us were unaware of what going on and would have spoken up if we were present. The actions of one person with a history of unacceptable behavior does not reflect the opinions of the rest of us. I don't know whether something or nothing new comes into play as a result of this, but I will support anything that restores our good relations with the mods and helps ensure the RP board becomes and stays what it was always meant to be, a place for Tropers to have harmless fun.
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 19 Imca, Mon, 9th Dec '13 6:01:20 PM Get RP Mod Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
I don't know if its already like this, but can it be possible to make it so the RP forum can be banned from just like the OTC?

Maybe if RP problems did not escalate to total forum bans, they would get reported more?

Sorry if it is already like this and I am misinformed.

 20 Parable, Mon, 9th Dec '13 6:49:22 PM from California Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Many Faces
Considering how many people post exclusively in the RP Board, including the person who was banned, I find that an unlikely solution.
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 21 Madrugada, Mon, 9th Dec '13 8:42:42 PM Get RP Mod Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
We now have the ability to ban from any section of the forums. So yes, a poster who's only a problem in the R Ps can be now banned only from the RP section. However, as Parable notes, if that person posts exclusively or nearly exclusively in the RP section, we'll probably ban them from posting at all, since they aren't contributing anything else to be worth saving saving them for.

edited 9th Dec '13 8:44:27 PM by Madrugada

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I didn't realize that there was an update in the thread until now, and I should have spoken up earlier, but now that I see this...

I feel that the initial notice here got people in panic because of this: it implied that if Fast Eddie saw problematic posts of this sort again, the whole roleplaying section will pay for it. But, if other mods saw those posts, they will nuke the posts and the problem will be gone, so the RP section is safe.

I don't think that's right. There should be a general moderation guideline/policy that doesn't have to worry about which mod sees the post. If Fast Eddie would take a certain action in response to the post, the other mods should be able to do so too.

We shouldn't resort to more RP mods just to fill in times when it isn't daltar's "shift"note  on Tropes. As others said here, mods can only spend so much time here, and the matter shouldn't have to escalate just because a certain mod was not available at the time.
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 23 biomechtraveler, Thu, 19th Dec '13 8:39:40 PM from Pyroland Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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What everyone would ideally want is for those rule breakers to be reported straight away by non-mod players since that would be fast and efficient. Unfortunately dreams don't always come true. The tropers who have caused the kerfuffle this time(If my guess is correct) have been on tropes on tropes for some time already. They were not reported until Fast Eddie nuked them.

Point? Reportings made by non-mods aren't going to increase by a hell of a lot.

I see Fast Eddie's point- running R Ps is an expense, I can't justify much in that line of thought.

However, I do think that nuking entire forums is a rather heavy handed way to deal with pests. If you really want to make this a place where Tropers have harmless fun why not just ban. I mean if you have a way to take out the trouble makers why nuke everything so that even the guys who are having fun get kicked out? I guess you want to use the threat of an apocalypse as an incentive to get us busy reporting- justify-able but all you have caused is panic.

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 24 Uilleam, Fri, 20th Dec '13 7:59:50 AM from Bonnie Scotland Get RP Mod Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
From the past until completion

Thumped for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.

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