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Need to sacrifice a Robot Buddy, but it requires a stupid design flaw.:

Darkness and Disgrace
So yeah, my Kid Hero has a Transforming Mecha Robot Buddy he uses throughout the series. Just changes from a Cool Car to a Mini-Mecha.

Problem is, I have this one-time use Super Mode I planned to be unleashed at the end of the series, which turns it into more of an over-sized Powered Armor. Of course, it would be eluded to before then, but the reason it's never used is something I haven't figured out the logic for.

See, for whatever reason, activating this mode pretty much deletes the robot's personality, but I can't for the life of me figure out why. The character who invented this thing is a member of the Power Trio, so it has to be questioned at some point. My best guess is that the transformation produces severe heat that fries the computer, but that sounds really flimsy.

And yes, the science is supposed to be so soft you could bounce on it, but I still need something that makes at least some narrative sense...

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 2 Muramasan 13, Fri, 6th Apr '12 10:03:25 PM Relationship Status: Not war
Perhaps it causes electromagnetic pulses that damage the more delicate equipment in the aforementioned robot buddy?
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 3 Night, Fri, 6th Apr '12 10:06:24 PM from PSNS Intrepid Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Don't do it.

Just make it an upgrade or something, it works out this one time, but moments after the problem is over it breaks down and they have to strip the whole thing down and rebuild it. The feature is used only once because the first time they use it causes far too many problems.

You can subvert Exact Time to Failure by having somebody point out next time it might not even make it out of the transformation before it breaks. As it's not practical to have to overhaul the robot every time (and it probably bothers the robot), they remove the feature.

edited 6th Apr '12 10:09:56 PM by Night

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Darkness and Disgrace
Part of the reason it's only used once is that it's the very end of the series. The Final Boss has crossed the Godzilla Threshold, most of the main characters are dead, and this is the only option left.

I had it in mind that it's attempted earlier in the story, because another character's life is on the line. They get as far as the activation sequence before the villain disables the robot outright.

The idea is that rebuilding the body is easy. Only one character knows how to do it, mind you, but the real problem would be restoring the A.I.. Sure, a backup could be used, but in this story it's treated as simply a copy. Of course, there's the possibility the inventor doesn't really think that's an issue...
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 5 doorhandle, Sat, 7th Apr '12 3:58:51 AM from Space Australia!
I have 2 ideas on why the memory would be fired after this happens:

1)It sets it's power source to maximum output, which is much higher than standard operating parameters, and this generates enough heat to fry or melt pretty much all the circuits in the robot and the motherboard over the run of the supermode, as well as burn at bits of the pilot and making the entire machine glow a dull red near the end of it's duration.

2)There is a hidden backlog of superior fighting data and subroutines for this form, but it barley fits there even as a zip file and in order to make the thing work, large parts of the robotís coding needs to be deleted to make room for it.

edited 7th Apr '12 3:59:02 AM by doorhandle

You do realize that you can just back up a robot's memories and download into a spare "brain" afterwards right?
 
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The idea is that rebuilding the body is easy. Only one character knows how to do it, mind you, but the real problem would be restoring the A.I.. Sure, a backup could be used, but in this story it's treated as simply a copy. Of course, there's the possibility the inventor doesn't really think that's an issue...

[up][up]Those work pretty well, actually. Plus, in the event of the first one, I could imply that the computer is about as well shielded during the combination as possible, and even that turns out to not be enough. I also never thought of the issue that while the body is replaceable, the actual computer isn't, possibly relying on some exceedingly rare unobtainium to produce.
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Darkness and Disgrace
Okay, I think I've got something. It's potentially stupid, but I think I like it.

The Super Mode is the robot's natural state, and is very, very dangerous. The inventor himself tried to use it and was pretty much driven mad with power, and was barely able to regain control. The A.I. was created as a limiter to bind its power to a more manageable level, and its deletion is meant as both a means to give total control to the pilot, and as an incentive to not activate it under any circumstances.
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 9 Te Chameleon, Sun, 8th Apr '12 3:04:40 PM from Alberta, Canada
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The backup-is-just-a-copy idea... I've heard that described as the 'Continuity Flaw'. From an outside perspective, yay, our buddy is back, but from the original buddy's perspective... he's dead. Game over, you have no continues left.

As far as the 'this is the original state' argument... eh. It's doable, but it's also been done. Maybe if you changed it from 'nearly driven mad with power' to 'places intolerable stresses on the pilot's body', it'd be more believable. I've never really liked the 'mad with power' idea, especially if the power comes from a vehicle. It'd also show that the Godzilla Threshold had been crossed- the pilot isn't just killing his/her Robot Buddy, they're expecting to die as well.

 10 Yej, Sun, 8th Apr '12 5:16:13 PM from <0,1i>
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[up] The original buddy doesn't have a perspective because he doesn't exist anymore.

Anyway, if the science were harder, I would suggest that since AI has to be able to deal with a differently sized/shaped body, it's body map needs to be rewritten, which you can then Handwave as causing a fatal crash.

However, since the science is so bouncy, go with what other people said. Personally, I like Night's suggestion.
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 11 Te Chameleon, Sun, 8th Apr '12 5:28:22 PM from Alberta, Canada
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That's... kinda what I meant, Yej. Even if you've got a pretty good copy wandering around, the original is dead. Even if the copy thinks they are the original.

Darkness and Disgrace
[up][up][up]Admittedly, "placing intolerable stress on the pilot's body" would be difficult, since the main character's Required Secondary Powers make him pretty damn durable. Plus, he's pretty much pure Tranquil Fury at this point, and I think it'd be hard to pull off if the implication is that he's in constant pain. While maybe not "driven mad with power", the point is that the Super Mode is very difficult to control and exceedingly powerful...actually, I just realized the implication that a Ridiculously Human Robot computer is incapable of the whole "control" part...

I should also probably just spill the fact that by this point, the story's world is reduced to a black void by the Big Bad, meaning there's nothing for the hero to actually destroy besides the Big Bad.

Night's suggestion really isn't compatible with the narrative, so I can't use it.

edited 9th Apr '12 1:22:35 AM by TheGunheart

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