Unclear Description (page action crowner 3/21/14): Quirky Bard get usage counts
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51 Madrugada10th Feb 2013 05:53:26 PM , Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
Old crowner swapped for the new one. Let's actually finish the job this time, please?
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
52 Ghilz11th Feb 2013 05:57:51 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Fight It Out!
Voting in favor of renaming, since the Trope Namer isn't an example.

Seriously, how is Edward more quirky than the Ninja Prince, the Dark Knight From the Moon Turned Paladin raised by Odin, the pre-teen twin mages with theme naming or the girl raised by summons in some time dilated alternate dimension.

Hell. Edward's the normal one in that game.

Plus the fact that "Spoony" is such an underused word we need to define it as the opening quote furthers reinforces why it's a terrible title. (And that Spoony =/= Quirky, so this would not even match the new definition).

edited 11th Feb '13 6:07:02 PM by Ghilz

53 SeptimusHeap12th Feb 2013 02:28:21 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Spoony for me is just a spoon. Nothing to do with what the trope is about. [tup] the rename.
Forofgold power!
Have all the examples that belong to Mechanically Unusual Class already been moved?
Seriously, my avatar comes from the embodiment of the So Bad, It's Good trope.
55 SeptimusHeap20th Feb 2013 01:31:05 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
No. Someone will have to do that.
56 Ghilz20th Feb 2013 02:43:33 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Fight It Out!
Most of those I saw on the page were copied to the YKTTW when I wrote the first draft. So they should need to be removed, not moved.

Other ones added since may need moving.
57 SeptimusHeap24th Feb 2013 02:03:15 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Moved the remaining duplicates off.

Also, crowner is at 16-6 for renaming.
58 Spark93rd Mar 2013 01:29:00 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I suggest that we also crowner renaming Mechanically Unusual Class to its redirect, Gimmick Class.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
59 SeptimusHeap3rd Mar 2013 01:35:38 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
That was picked in YKTTW. Why should we rename it?
60 Spark93rd Mar 2013 02:12:31 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Because it's not concise, and doesn't become clearer or wittier by being not concise.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
61 StarSword18th Mar 2013 10:00:56 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Bump. Crowner hasn't moved since Septimus' last post.
62 Willbyr18th May 2013 06:34:32 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Alt Titles crowner is swapped in; I'll fix the thread title shortly.
Piffy
Gimmick Class better fits Clear, Witty, Concise, IMHO.

edited 19th May '13 2:21:46 PM by Pig_catapult

Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
64 SeptimusHeap19th May 2013 02:22:23 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Possibly yes. Added it.
65 Madrugada19th May 2013 02:36:56 PM , Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
Wait. Wait, WAIT, WAIT.

As it stands now, the crowner is proposing that Spoony Bard be renamed to Gimmick Class.

Is that really what you want? Because that's a Merge, not just a rename.

edited 19th May '13 2:38:03 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
66 SeptimusHeap19th May 2013 02:39:40 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Gimmick Class is a redirect.
67 Madrugada19th May 2013 02:55:21 PM , Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Yes, it's a redirect to Mechanically Unusual Class which appears to be distinctly different than Spoony Bard.

Mechanically Unusual Class:
A character class that plays completely different from any other classes in the game. Either it revolves around a specific gimmick no other classes has access to, or it has a strange power set that makes it fit nowhere precisely in the Fighter, Mage, Thief spectrum. This class is often (though not always) named after some sort of entertainment profession, most often Bard, but Dancer, Mime, Minstrel, Painter and such are also possibilities.

This class is usually neither a healer nor a damage dealer. He most likely can do a bit of either, but they tend to be secondary traits. Often he tends to focus on buffs or debuffs, and may be a Jack of All Stats, having both combat and magical ability, but those tend to be limited due to a subpar selection of weapons and armor for the former, and a lack of traditional offensive damage dealing or powerful healing spells for the later.

What makes the class unique however is the gimmick. Many classes wield sword, many wield spells, quite a few mix both, but this class always has a mechanic that no other classes have access to. And said mechanic is always meant to play a large role for this character. Usually this is tied to the art performance this class is named after. They may be a Musical Assassin. Or maybe they can sing songs or dance to inspire (IE: Buff) their teammates, demoralize (IE: Debuff) enemies, or cause all sorts of weird effects to happen.

Because this class is so centered on their gimmick, and said gimmick tends to put them outside the usual roles, the usefulness of this class can vary wildly, from The Load to Game Breaker or even Lethal Joke Character. Difficult, But Awesome and Magikarp Power aren't unusual. Subtrope of Competitive Balance.

Spoony Bard:
Ah, the much-maligned bard class... For some reason, bards are very frequently unable to ever become anything useful. They are the butt of jokes, they are often beaten by old men with canes, and sometimes their friends use a mountain of bard corpses as convenient cover.

If you have any experience with your typical fantasy RPG whatsoever, you know the basic roles by heart. RPG games are made so that characters are specialized, but rather than crippling characters for their specialization, they are actually more powerful the more they specialize thanks to the fact that party members can rely on their comrades-in-arms whenever the challenge the heroes face plays to one party member's weakness, it will be playing to another party member's strength. ...

So renaming Spoony Bard to Gimmick Class is functionally merging it with Mechanically Unusual Class

edited 19th May '13 2:57:16 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
68 SeptimusHeap19th May 2013 02:57:17 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Ah, now I remember. This trope is just for bards. So that new option wouldn't work at all.
69 Madrugada19th May 2013 03:01:14 PM , Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
Yes. Exactly. Removing it from the crowner.

edited 19th May '13 3:01:34 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Piffy
I thought that was a bit confusing.
Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
71 Spark920th May 2013 02:33:04 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Yeah, sorry for the tangent. I meant to say that Mechanically Unusual Class could be better named Gimmick Class, but that is unrelated to our crowner here about Spoony Bard. It's not really important, but we can open another thread for it at some point.

Anyway let's brainstorm some non-Spoony names for bards.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
72 SeptimusHeap10th Jun 2013 06:44:54 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Bumping, because just 1 crowner option and that with 5-1 votes is sad.
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
7-1 in favour of Quirky Bard
74 SeptimusHeap2nd Aug 2013 02:21:39 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Votes bump. Quirky Bard is at 9-1 right now.
75 MacronNotes27th Aug 2013 07:25:41 AM , Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
Bumping for votes.

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