I am a bit confused. Is C supposed to be hard-split, soft-split or "to be determined if this wins"? Does A require splitting the grades (and hard, soft or "figure that out later")?
 OK, someone edited the options and added more. Nevermind.
edited 4th Apr '12 9:10:06 AM by lebrel
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Hmm I can think of a few murky examples that would follow both of those personality and such Both are called Zettai Ryouiki too as its all about the gap created. (as they both create the gap.) Zettai Ryouiki combined with Modesty Shorts and such would be both too.
The Action Girl variety would be a subtrope not a sister trope.
I see a lot of misuse in a Hard split Soft split I think would work.
Its a subtrope because Zettai Ryouiki is all about the gap created from stockings and Skirt, shorts or both Skirt and short shorts.
Both are called that, the Shorts variety just wouldn't fit the grade system it should still be on the trope page and depending on how the crowner goes
Any Grade soft split it should be Soft Split as well.
No softsplit and just bullet points for each of the Grades in the description it should get a bullet point for itself.
I support the Bullet points for each and just leave the examples as is.
I can only think of very few sporty Tomboy types who wear this.
The terms are just place holders at the moment Raso. It's not a subtrope because it doesn't share the same connotations as the Grades do. It's a sister trope to the grades. The terms don't matter for purposes of organization.
As for the action girls, Fay from Cowboy Bebop. Alice from the third Resident Evil film. Those are the two off the top of my head. I'll come up with more.
edited 4th Apr '12 9:45:30 AM by shimaspawn
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But again its called Zettai Ryouiki by everyone.
And the popularizer for the Hot PantsZettai Ryouiki is Kallen Stadtfeld of Code Geass. (the writers knew what they were doing too considering the number of characters who wear it and they named a defense shield "Zettai Shugo Ryouiki" and this Rant on the subject
C.C.: What did you just say!? Are you stupid? This is for a school uniform! I'm talking about a mini-skirt! The knee-length socks which show our shiny knees, or thigh highs that highlight the area between the edge of our skirt and our thighs! If you don't have a hard time choosing between these socks, you don't know anything about school uniforms.
Looking at the page there are very few but it is a trend but it is still a subtrope to this.
Hinagiku of Hayate No Gotoku likes the hot pants variety but for sure fits the Tsundere personality and everything but Twin Tails at times an Action Girl when not clammering up about relationships, but usually when she is not wearing them.
The Hot PantsAction GirlZettai Ryouiki is only a possibility. Many dont actually fit
Again Bullet points on personality types and that is good. Hard splitting like this and you will always get people calling this Zettai Ryouiki because that is exactly what it is and I am wholeheartedly against the split changing something like this is just asking for misuse as it is not what the rest of the world goes by.
IF ya want to get rid of the grades except S and just go by personality bullets then that would work too.
I voted for the first option, because I believe Japanese language names should not be used to describe tropes that are not exclusive to Japanese culture. If I am reading this correctly, Option A would accomplish this by putting all examples that are not Asian in a different trope. Certainly all that business about "grades" doesn't apply to any Western fictional work.
My opinion: no need to split at all, neither between Eastern/Western, nor A/B/S categories. The "personality" connotations are just secondary attachment to the actual legwear (and the mentioned "budding sexuality"), and they are not explicitly defined, or used consistently (and AFAIK, Grade S is more of a meme than an actual category); and Western works just don't put as much meaning into it.
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I don't like the idea, in general, of having two tropes that are identical except for medium. Moreso if the difference is that one is anime and manga, the other is Western media (it gets a little to close to otherizing Japanese people and the "inscrutable Oriental" stereotype).