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Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#1: Mar 28th 2012 at 3:57:36 AM

I found out about this through this draft here.

Apparently the person went ahead and made the page before they created a YKTTW draft, which is the first mark against it.

The second mark against it is that it is named after a real life person that was most famous for many things that have nothing to do with the trope.

The third problem is that the trope's characterization of him is debatable at best, and seems to have a rather negative tone.

The fourth problem is is a character type page but lacks a "The" in front of it, meaning that it looks like it is simply a page about Steve Jobs, the person. It is already listed on Summary.People as being a page about the person Steve Jobs.

I vote that we immediately cut and lock the Steve Jobs page. If, in the future, someone wants to make an informative, balanced article about Steve Jobs the person, it can be done on Creator.Steve Jobs.

If there is a valid trope to be found, the existing draft can be launched under an entirely different name.

edited 28th Mar '12 6:18:34 AM by Catbert

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#2: Mar 28th 2012 at 4:01:18 AM

Agree with cut. Also, the person who did it seems to have a poor grasp of how articles work (each example gets a folder? Nope).

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#4: Mar 28th 2012 at 4:10:28 AM

Don't be fooled by the inbounds either.

Here is a look at them.

They mostly come from things like a www.ask.com search about the real person

Or this Swagbucks thing.

It looks like people trying to find information about Steve Jobs the person on websites that technically aren't search engines but are essentially the same ended up on phantom wicks by mistake.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#5: Mar 28th 2012 at 4:12:00 AM

Seeing as this is actively misleading, the inbounds are most definitely not a point in favour of the page.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
troublegum Since: Feb, 2012
#7: Mar 28th 2012 at 4:19:02 AM

Motion to cut seconded. This trope would need a lot more work before it got a page. The examples and the description actually contradict each other: Tony Stark is not a small-fry CEO in the Marvelverse, after all.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#8: Mar 28th 2012 at 4:25:24 AM

Cutlisted. Everyone agree with my reasons?

Fight smart, not fair.
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#9: Mar 28th 2012 at 4:26:26 AM

Should also mention that someone jumped the gun on the YKTTW.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#10: Mar 28th 2012 at 4:36:07 AM

You should link the relevant TRS thread when putting something on the cutlist as the result of a TRS discussion. You should also clean up the wicks before cutlisting something.

Wick Check time!

  • Describes the Person
  1. Brand X
  2. Cuatrocientos Cuatro
  3. Everything Sounds Sexier in French
  4. Summary.People
  5. FanFic.Pretty Cure Android Wars
  6. Screw This, I'm Outta Here
  7. Fridge.South Park

  • Describes the Trope
  1. Characterization Tropes
  2. Steve Jobs

edited 28th Mar '12 4:38:02 AM by Catbert

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#12: Mar 28th 2012 at 6:11:07 AM

Agree with cutting, but please put a link to the discussion in the discussion page when you are cutting something on behalf of TRS. I did that now.

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#13: Mar 28th 2012 at 7:21:07 AM

Cut, with prejudice. I can't even begin to describe just how many ways that this is wrong. I think it starts with Fan Myopia and goes from there.

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movie007 Since: Jan, 2001
#14: Mar 28th 2012 at 7:51:58 AM

Agreed with cutting it. Even if this was trope-worthy, we're trying to stay clear from character trope names (especially if they're names of real people).

Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#15: Mar 28th 2012 at 8:20:48 AM

Has anyone notified the troper that they should be taking tropes through YKTTW and not just editing unilaterally?

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#16: Mar 29th 2012 at 1:43:38 PM

I just left a message with link to this thread on his YKTTW draft.

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#17: Mar 29th 2012 at 7:51:45 PM

The page has been cut. Guess we're done here.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
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