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Fan Fic Recommendations and the Creepiness Clean-Up:

Pronounced YAK-you-luss
So as more than a few of you will have noticed, the moderation recently kicked off a discussion on creepiness in the wiki. Among other things, it was noted that since depiction does not necessarily equal endorsement, we could continue to have articles on even the most questionable works so long as we restricted ourselves to impartial troping without getting worryingly overenthusiastic.

So what happens when we are endorsing works?

Fan Fic Recommendations are our on-site tool for readers of fanfiction, designed to showcase what we consider to be the best fics on the Internet. So what, under the new guidelines, are we allowed to recommend? Are the 'clopfics' on My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic kosher? If someone wants to rave about this great fic where Kairi gets disembowelled and used as a wall hanging, is that OK? In short, are there things that are just too creepy to recommend on this site?
Freedom of speech includes the freedom for other people to call you out on your bullshit.
 2 Willbyr, Tue, 27th Mar '12 7:51:22 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
I think that as long as a questionable recommendation is sufficiently tagged (Dark Fic, Lemon, Gorn, etc.) it should be fine...maybe that line should be bolded in the rec template for emphasis.
Objection: The wiki is not discussing "creepiness", it is discussing Lewdness and Prudery.

I second Willbyr here. Everyone has a different standard on what they want to recommend, different tastes, and vastly different standards on what they consider lewd. I can see this turning very easily into a moralising crusade on anything even slightly risqué with lots of attempts at shaming people[1] who enjoy "darker" or more "alternative" types of story. The reason I can it, is because that is what happens when this type of policing is advocated (I can also see it being expanded to encompass anything that strays away from strictly gen fics, and the imposition of some sort of "basic quality scoring" which has been lobbied for for years by various tropers). Lots of bandwagon jumping, and of course vitriol, and it would probably end up creating so much heat we'd need to nuke Fan Fic Recommendations entirely to draw a line under things. Which would be a truly sad loss to the wiki.

I think we have the right balance right now. If someone thinks a fic is worth reading, they put their name to it, write a summary, tag it, and maybe leave a review if they want. If some else agrees, they can add their name, and a review. If someone disagrees, they can leave a substantive review saying why they don't like it (adding on any tags that might have been left off). Everyone's opinion is equal, and no one's opinion (except Fast Eddie of course) is more equal than anyone else's.

And the readers can judge for themselves.

[1]For example the word "creepy" itself is a pejorative.

edited 27th Mar '12 10:05:42 AM by CrypticMirror

Aid the Paradox Archaeologists, meditate on the tropes used: Beyond The Star Empire Of The Otters Of Doom
 4 lu 127, Tue, 27th Mar '12 10:17:52 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I agree with Cryptic Mirror. As long as a recommendation comes with a warning, it is up to the reader. And let's not forget, unlike the rest of the wiki, recommendations are far more personal, requiring your name on them. What you recommend reflects on your own judgement, not the site's.
迷子の足音消えた 代わりに祈りの唄
Are the 'clopfics' on My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic kosher?

What is a "clopfic"? Kosher is just about food and there's nothing to say horses can't be eaten. So eating ponies is okay, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

Pronounced YAK-you-luss
[up]Horses fucking.
Freedom of speech includes the freedom for other people to call you out on your bullshit.
So Shipping and Lemon, just for a series that has non-human characters?

edited 27th Mar '12 10:24:20 AM by CrypticMirror

Aid the Paradox Archaeologists, meditate on the tropes used: Beyond The Star Empire Of The Otters Of Doom
I want to ask how they go to the word "clop" but whatever. If people want to recommend lemon stories, what's the problem? The fic can be whatever it wants, but the recommendation has to be sensible (as in, "this fic has loads of well-written porn" is fine).

[up]I have a feeling that "clopfic" applies strictly to the newest series of My Little Pony. Fandoms usually create names like that for certain types of stories. So a sex story between two horses from another series/franchise wouldn't use that word. That's what I think anyway.

edited 27th Mar '12 10:29:28 AM by Jicragg

Pronounced YAK-you-luss
[up][up]Most of whom are underage (inasmuch as such a notion applies to cartoon horses). I'm just wondering how actively recommending lemon-fics dealing with bestiality/paedophilia/whatever interacts with our No Lewdness, No Prudishness guidelines.

edited 27th Mar '12 10:30:11 AM by Iaculus

Freedom of speech includes the freedom for other people to call you out on your bullshit.
I think you are over thinking it. Someone wrote a dirty story about cartoon horses (which don't look very horselike anyway). I'm sure its someone's thing, somewhere, but the characters are fictional so YKINMKATOK applies. Just as long as they tag it so anyone playing "follow the link" knows what they are getting (we have to give the reader credit for being able to make their own judgements).

edited 27th Mar '12 10:40:38 AM by CrypticMirror

Aid the Paradox Archaeologists, meditate on the tropes used: Beyond The Star Empire Of The Otters Of Doom
[up][up]This just goes in with the "just write about the porn sensibly and don't be creepy." I think saying "you can't recommend gorn" is going the wrong way. Recommendations are short anyway, so there shouldn't be anything in them really apart from what they're about.

[up] "YKINMKATOK" - what?

edited 27th Mar '12 10:45:12 AM by Jicragg

 12 emeriin, Tue, 27th Mar '12 10:47:39 AM Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Your Kink Is Not My Kink And Thats Okay. It's supposed to save everyone a lot of trouble in fanfic communities.
I cut up one dozen new men and you will die somewhat, again and again.
[up][up]YKINMKATOK: Your Kink Is Not My Kink, And That's Okay.

Commonly invoked in fandom communities whenever someone gets worked up about something they don't like (I wanna stress that in this case, it isn't my kink either, since I also find it "creepy", but hey big world and whatever. Not gonna police other people's taste).

[edit: Ninja'd]

edited 27th Mar '12 10:51:51 AM by CrypticMirror

Aid the Paradox Archaeologists, meditate on the tropes used: Beyond The Star Empire Of The Otters Of Doom
 14 lu 127, Tue, 27th Mar '12 10:58:35 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
That's an awfully long acronym.
迷子の足音消えた 代わりに祈りの唄
Not compared to NIIOMTPLABOPARMBETZHELBETRABSBOMONIMONKONOTDTEKHS- TROMONT (no I didn't make it up either).

edited 27th Mar '12 11:02:58 AM by CrypticMirror

Aid the Paradox Archaeologists, meditate on the tropes used: Beyond The Star Empire Of The Otters Of Doom
 16 lu 127, Tue, 27th Mar '12 11:02:45 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
O_O

I shudder to ask what that means and how the hell you're supposed to remember it.
迷子の足音消えた 代わりに祈りの唄
 17 lebrel, Tue, 27th Mar '12 11:03:45 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
[up] World's longest abbreviation
Calling someone a pedant is an automatic Insult Backfire. Real pedants will be flattered.
According to Guinness World Records it is "The laboratory for shuttering, reinforcement, concrete and ferroconcrete operations for composite-monolithic and monolithic constructions of the Department of the Technology of Building-assembly operations of the Scientific Research Institute of the Organization for building mechanization and technical aid of the Academy of Building and Architecture of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics."

As to how you remember it, I'm guessing it was something to do during the long Russian winters. Of course given it's from Soviet Russia, it might be a joke that we just don't get here in the corrupt, decadent, west.

edited 27th Mar '12 11:05:32 AM by CrypticMirror

Aid the Paradox Archaeologists, meditate on the tropes used: Beyond The Star Empire Of The Otters Of Doom
 19 lu 127, Tue, 27th Mar '12 11:08:27 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
O_O

That is so odd. And completely off-topic.

So um, yeah. Fanfics. They should always come with a warning for explicit material.
迷子の足音消えた 代わりに祈りの唄
I find the first acronym rather cute. Anyway, [up] that but applied to all explicit things... which is the rule we have now anyway.

There is a cute little song to go with it http://youtu.be/y-p33001J-0
Aid the Paradox Archaeologists, meditate on the tropes used: Beyond The Star Empire Of The Otters Of Doom
 22 Final Starman, Tue, 27th Mar '12 2:24:04 PM from Clinton, Massachusetts
So basically, rape-o-philia is not allowed on the forums, but it is allowed on Fan Fic Recommendations so long as the endorsement isn't overly gushy? Serious question, and no I will not add any either way.
 23 Septimus Heap, Tue, 27th Mar '12 2:25:59 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Do you mean endorsing a work with rape in it or endorsing rape as rape-o-philia?

There's a big difference between the two.

 24 Final Starman, Tue, 27th Mar '12 2:31:13 PM from Clinton, Massachusetts
Endorsing a work that is rape-o-philiac porn. Or endorsing Ryona, for a more specific* example.
 25 Septimus Heap, Tue, 27th Mar '12 2:34:10 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
That is not rape-o-philia, then. Endorsing a work =/= Endorsing its main premise.

Single Proposition: Fanfic Recs
31st Mar '12 12:47:23 PM
Vote up for yes, down for no.
At issue:
There have been suggestions to forbid recs for fics that have certain content, namely illegal sex, in them, and due to the difficulties in enforcing such rules in practice it has been proposed to remove Fanfic Recommendations altogether.
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