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Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki:

 1 Septimus Heap, Mon, 26th Mar '12 3:35:56 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, YKTTW or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

 2 lu 127, Mon, 26th Mar '12 10:00:21 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
So, let's kickstart this.

I dislike Twilight a lot, but the sheer negative natter it generates everywhere is really annoying. Negativity aside, the natter alone is pretty bad.
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Ahh, the perfect thread. Video Brinquedo is nothing but complaining. The page image is complaining. Fortunately only one of their works has a page, Ratatoing, and that's still complaining (but not as bad).

okay byeeeee
The page for Steven Seagal is basically one long Take That against him. I don't know much about him besides that he's not very popular, but pointing out every little thing that makes him suck is a bit far.
A knavish speech sleeps in a foolish ear. | For all dramatic realisations.
 5 Martello, Tue, 27th Mar '12 9:28:06 AM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
Ugh, you're right. I hate the idea that just because a certain public figure isn't popular right now, he should be fair game for bashing on a wiki like ours. On the forums, fine, but not on the creator pages. I watch the Frank Miller page just to remove that kind of bullshit, but of course I'm actually a Frank Miller fan. Seagal is a huge douche-bag, but that shouldn't matter to us at this site.

edited 27th Mar '12 9:29:32 AM by Martello

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Argh, there's a little too much complaining here on Historical Re Creation for me to tackle myself.

What do people think of this draft for Rejected By History?

Sounds to me like a breeding ground for trying to give credence to complaining by claiming that "History" is on your side. Some of the works listed are only a few years old.

edited 27th Mar '12 1:57:08 PM by Catbert

 8 Septimus Heap, Tue, 27th Mar '12 2:00:28 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
And it has the umpteenth debate about YMMV in YKTTW.

I think that if we can't add some strong objective criteria to it, the guaranteed Opinion Creep will make it a TRS or cutlist guest.

 9 lu 127, Tue, 27th Mar '12 2:12:43 PM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I have a strong urge to nuke that.
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Insert joke about from orbit.

 11 The One Who Tropes, Wed, 28th Mar '12 1:13:24 AM from Leigh, Lancashire, England (Viertes Reich) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
I like this webcomic.
[up]Obliged. EXTERMINATUS!

There are a lot of creepy actress, actor pages left. If I stumble upon one while doing other things, I'll let you know.

Damn - wrong thread. Then again, I could actually have to report it here as well, judging by Steven Seagal's page.

edited 28th Mar '12 1:21:26 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

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What about the page for I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry? It has quite a bit of negativity…but if it were to be removed, you'd end up nuking most of the content, and it's admittedly a very difficult movie to write about in a neutral tone.

I'm all for making things less negative around here. The Steven Seagal "article" is a prime example of something in need of a rewrite or even a page lock, so that no one can sneak negativity back on there.

A few other examples of things that get bashed are The Secret Life of the American Teenager (does it have "abysmal writing"? Possibly. Do we need to have that particular wisdom bequeathed to us even on the YMMV page? No.) and the Silent Hill page, albeit less so. I'm sure we'll come up with more examples. I'll try to cut/reword plain ol' bashing, should I encounter it on the wiki.
Hello Kitty isn't a cat. I don't know what to believe anymore.
 14 wuggles, Sat, 31st Mar '12 12:07:52 PM from Miami, FL Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The page for Hush, Hush is extremely negative, especially the YMMV page. We basically have 5 examples discussing how much some troper hates the main characters.
okay byeeeee
Well, I cleaned up Seagal's page. Turns out the discussion for it isn't entirely nice either ("Yeah...why do I think it's Fast Eddie's fault? Oh, yeah, because Eddie always does shit like that." "Does Steven Seagal really need protection from a hatedom?"). The comments are from last year, but should I report it at ATT anyway?
A knavish speech sleeps in a foolish ear. | For all dramatic realisations.
 16 Septimus Heap, Sat, 31st Mar '12 12:39:26 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Yes, report it. Or holler it, linking to the dsicussion.

 18 lu 127, Thu, 5th Apr '12 11:48:38 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Yeah, no. There's a reason Squick is exampleless.
小さく揺れた向日葵
 19 Komodin, Thu, 5th Apr '12 11:57:23 AM from Somewhere in Windy Hill Zone Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Sonic Wiki Curator
Yeah, I can see that turning into a complaint-and-justifying-edit hive in no time flat. It should probably be scrapped or reworked extensively.

edited 5th Apr '12 11:57:33 AM by Komodin

 20 Oreochan, Thu, 5th Apr '12 12:28:44 PM from Pennsylvania
It appears that Steven T is repeatedly making these types of YKTT Ws. He should probably be warned in a pm to not do this again or he would most likely won't get access to YKTTW anymore .

edited 8th Apr '12 12:28:38 AM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
Draft for Post Movie Rot: When the quality of a show suddenly goes downhill after the movie adaptation.

Keep or discard?

That's not a trope, it's an audience reaction. It's like a more specific version of Seasonal Rot, so I say, ditch it. Will anyone really be entertained by reading about something like that? And not just a Hatedom.
Hello Kitty isn't a cat. I don't know what to believe anymore.
 23 lu 127, Sun, 8th Apr '12 12:26:18 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Steven T again? This person is showing a pattern by constantly coming up with complaining gateways.
小さく揺れた向日葵
Gentle personal messages to that address explaining that we are not about complaints would be order.smile
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
 25 Septimus Heap, Sun, 8th Apr '12 3:20:48 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
The page Robert Stanek was just reported on Ask The Tropers for having been hit by a vandal. I've repaired the vandalism and cleaned the example section, but someone should take a look at the description since it seems to be Creator Bashing.

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