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Well then, what's up with this year's surge in spree shootings? Why now?
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
A procrastination in of itself
Copycats due to how much publicity spree shooters get, increasing desperation and suffering in the western world driving more people to go nuts and an increase in reporting and publicising of spree shootings.
Nothing to do with video games.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Violent crime as a whole is actualy down.
We just hear about it more due to a more global news cycle.
edited 25th Jul '16 5:48:54 PM by Imca
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Tell me about it. Hollande jumped at the chance to blame Muslims.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
We just hear about it more due to a more global news cycle.
Immanentizing the eschaton
Yeah, it's pretty interesting to think about. Weimar Germany was crazy violent – nazis and communist paramilitaries having massive fights in the street and shit.
The book Soldaten is a good one to read for this. 60 years ago Germans were committing war crimes on a scale ISIS wishes it could do.
edited 25th Jul '16 9:04:36 PM by majoraoftime
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
Shooting and terrorist coverage:
It's quite tempting to post this every time a shooting or bombing in the West happens, but I'd probably trip social media spam filters in a real hurry...
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Merkel urges Turkish-rooted residents to be loyal to Germany
Merkel’s comments come during a tense period in German-Turkish relations and amid concerns that domestic political arguments in Turkey could spill onto German streets.
Ankara was angered by the German Parliament’s vote in June to label the killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks a century ago as genocide. It also has bristled at criticism of the scope of its crackdown following a coup attempt, and complained of a lack of support from the West.
Germany is home to roughly 3 million people with Turkish roots.
“We expect of people of Turkish origin who have long lived in Germany that they develop a high degree of loyalty to our country,” Merkel was quoted as telling the daily Ruhr Nachrichten.
“We try to have an open ear for their concerns and to understand them,” she added, noting that the government “keeps in close contact with immigrant organizations.”
On July 31, up to 40,000 people rallied in Cologne to denounce the failed coup in Turkey and show support for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. That show of support, though it was peaceful, caused unease among some in Germany.
With two state elections due next month and a national election next year, some politicians in Merkel’s conservative bloc have advocated a rethink of rules approved in 2014 — at the insistence of Merkel’s center-left coalition partners — that made it easier for immigrants’ children to hold dual citizenship. The change largely affected Germany’s Turkish community.
Merkel said that everyone who lives in Germany enjoys freedom of opinion and freedom to demonstrate, but they must deal with differences of opinion peacefully.
While her current coalition has eased rules on dual citizenship, she already has said that she won’t go any further toward liberalizing them.
edited 23rd Aug '16 1:43:02 AM by DrunkenNordmann
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I'd be happy if they could just stop fighting their conflicts in our country. No matter which side you are on, Turks fighting Kurds in our cities is downright bizarre.
Also a very long, but also very interesting article describing the events that lead to Merkel's decision to open the borders one year ago.
Beware the Crazy Man.
It's something that happens in every multicultural country, especially when the immigrant culture is new to the area. It'll go away over time.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
Except the young immigrants are often less integrated and more conservative than their fathers. One reason for this is because the jobs their fathers did (low-skill jobs) do not exist anymore and the German state did not enough to integrate them. It also does not help that Turkish politicians (most notably Erdogan) are activly arguing against integration because they want to maintain their influence on those people.
Decades of negligence are now costing us dearly. And integrating the refugees will be just as difficult, especially considering how according to a recent survey their attitude towards women, democracy, freedom of speech and religion, homoseuality and Israel differs from the norm in Germany.
Integration might happen but it is no certainty.
edited 24th Aug '16 11:32:52 AM by Zarastro
Beware the Crazy Man.
You are only thinking about one generation beyond the original immigrants. Never said the kids of the originals would be better. Just that it would over time. But that also means giving an environment that allows for it, that is to say, a two way street. Painting them with broad brushes and assuming everything that is different about them is wrong isn't the way to go about it, just as much as the opposite is also not true among the immigrants with such a mindset.
edited 24th Aug '16 11:56:21 AM by FFShinra
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
Germany might have to find a different airbase for their operations against ISIS because Turkey refuses German ME Ps access to their base in Incirlik.
Beware the Crazy Man.
Cyprus perhaps?
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
They could also ask US AFRICOM. Not exactly ideal, but there you go.
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They'd have to ask permission from one of Germany's not-so-favourite nations at the moment. 
Or we could just end this operation, since what we are doing is not making much of a difference anyway. But then again, this was more about showing soldiarity with France anyway, and the German pilots are supposedly glad to get some experience. But honestly this whole "argument" with Turkey is so pointless. Not to mention silly since the German military apparantly considered investing 65m€ for improving the airbase in Incirlik, which would have been beneficial for the Turkish military as well.
Honestly it seems silly to me that the fight against the most evil organisation of the early 21th century gets handicapped by such petty grievances.
edited 25th Aug '16 10:31:48 AM by Zarastro
Could the Germans gain access to Greek bases in exchange for a bit of debt relief?
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
A procrastination in of itself
Greek bases on Cyprus' own bases, though there is always the British Cyprus bases if you guys aren't to pissed as us at the moment.
The problem is the flight route, ISIS are in the east of Syria, it's not safe to fly Western planes over the west bit of Syria so they'd have to loop, that's why things have been based out of Turkey so far.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Beware the Crazy Man.
Fly over Israel and Jordan, then go up into Syria?
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
A procrastination in of itself
Not sure if the Israelis would allow that, I imagine they're pretty protective of their airspace.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
Yeah, isn't the British zone on Cyprus called Akroktiri or something?
edited 25th Aug '16 5:29:49 PM by Ogodei
A procrastination in of itself
That's one of them I believe, but we have two.
edited 25th Aug '16 6:00:30 PM by Silasw
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
There's isn't, Hatred was inspired by spree shooters not the other way around. The violent video games bullshit was debunked in the '90s, video games have no greater impact than books, films, TV shows, or any other cultural exposer to violence (including history, political reverence of violence or appreciation of violence being shown by peers or family members).
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran