Weboriginal namespace:

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Something that came up in the other discussion is whether or not the weboriginal/ namespace should be split up more since it's currently a holding place for everything on the web that isn't a webcomic or machinima (sp).

A wedanimation/ namespace could be useful. Though I'd like to use this thread to sort out what should go under weboriginal/ (mostly Abridged Series and non-fanfic fanworks - technically in no way are they original)

EDIT: Guess who hit the enter button too early.

edited 22nd Mar '12 5:51:34 PM by Jicragg

Personally, I'm in favour of just doing away with WebOriginal/ - since it's too broad of a category. Basically, it seems to be a dumping place for everything on the web that doesn't already have their own more specific namespace.

ETA: I agree. Definitely in favour of a WebAnimation/ namespace. Web non-fanfic literature (such as the the stories at Fiction Press) would probably just go under Literature/

edited 22nd Mar '12 6:02:10 PM by movie007

3 DragonQuestZ24th Mar 2012 02:16:10 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
We could still keep it for those that don't fit.

Also, would Abridged Series count for web animation?
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[up][up] Web-novels currently go under literature (I made a thread like, a year ago, and that was the consensus), but I like the idea of turning Web Original into a sort of "supermedium," with submedias of webcomics, webanimation, webnovels, and so on.
5 Deboss25th Mar 2012 03:13:24 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
They do? I don't remember that, and I usually remember policy threads fairly well.
I think you were one of the first posters, Deboss. One sec, lemme see if I can find it.

Well, not the first, but you were definitely involved.
Great. I was about to ask what the "policy" was going to be with the web-based novels. Makes sense since Web Games are put under Video Games.

There hasn't been a discussion on whether or not Abridged Series are Fan Works or "originals". I know a lot of Abridged series are so far away from the show their parodying but Thirty Hs is in another universe from Harry Potter but it's still a HP fanfic. LPs and MST3Ks are people commenting on the <medium>. Personally I think Abridged Series should go under whatever non-fanfic Fan Works are going under (they haven't got a namespace yet). Gag Dubs are either fanmade or official/original, and abridged series are in the former. If somebody made a series using the footage but gave it a completely unconnected dub then it would be an animated machinima (sp)/original, aka. Sealab2021, but they (abridged series) are basically comedic, animated fanfics.

I think there's still some things that could go under weboriginal/. The only thing I can think of right now is live-action webseries (example: Marble Hornets), video blogs and other vaguely vague things (example: The Slender Man Mythos).

Things I have no idea on: Creepypasta (these are usually written but not always - case by case?), Podcasts (weboriginal/ perhaps? and what are Rifftrax technically) and Other Sites (some of these are creators but for the ones that aren't, example: Webtoon Live, where should they go?)

edited 25th Mar '12 9:07:09 AM by Jicragg

I always thought of podcasts as Radio.

Maybe that's because I only listen to podcasts that also air on the radio, though.
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Yeah, I think it would help to split it up; it's covering way too broad a category and will only get worse. Web Animation, Web Site, Web Series, Podcast are the divisions that come to mind.
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[up] Seems like a good idea. As for The Abridged Series, I think the lot of them could be in Fan Fic, given that they're not really "original" in a sense that they're often an Affectionate Parody to their source material.
I now go by Graf von Tirol.
Post 8 - A kind of vague Audio Series/ would be great to put all of the audio only works (within reason, due to audio video games, etc.) but taking away Radio/ would just be counterproductive. Ah well.

For podcast, they're all currently under main/ bar one that's radio show that turned into a podcast (kind of). podcast/ would be a small namespace, if that turns into the case (no judgement intended). Of course, this would be the best place for the Podiobooks works.

[up] I think turning Fan Fic/ into a place to dump all fanmade works would turn out messy (just like this, really). Fanfic/ should remain written based works and another namespace be created for others (like Fan Vid/ as a dumping ground for series, abridged, Fan Films, etc.) and perhaps a third for everything else (I can't think of an example right now). But that's a separate discussion for another thread.

[up][up]I agree with Web Site/, since there's no other place to put them. If Web Series/ (or some variation) comes into fruition, would there be anything left on Web Original/ or would that completely vanish? I'm still going to say that Let's Play series should stay on Weboriginal/, if nothing else, since they're usually split into two categories: videos and written.

I think on some of the Web Original pages (especially in the vlogs) there's something very similar happening to what has happened on the music/ namespace, that it's about all of the works over the creator (example: Laci Green), those kinds would go into weboriginal/ (for the sake of argument), right?
Fan comic is another type of fan work. Now they usually just go under Web Comic.

So...should we get a crowner here, talk about it a bit more, or what?
[up]I forgot about those. Keep them in webcomic/ or say they'll go into some kind of fan namespace (which will get organised later)? The former is easy and makes more sense but would we then have to put fan-made animation in Web Animation/ (for example)?

What would be the best way to do the crowner?
I'd imagine we could just start with a single-prop "Should the Web Original namespace be split into multiple namespaces (Web Animation, Web Novel, etc)?" I'm just a little leery because wiki talk threads don't usually get crowners.
15 Deboss25th Mar 2012 06:15:50 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
No wonder I don't remember it, it was so short. And we didn't actually do anything.
16 shimaspawn25th Mar 2012 06:24:44 PM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up][up] We've done it for the other Namespaces just to get them done.
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[up][up][up]Yep, we've done it for a couple now. Definitely a good place to start.

Single prop crowner. Apologies, the wording is rather awkward.
[up][up][up] Sorry, I realized too late that "consensus" implied more than "A couple guys and a mod said to put it in literature."
I think we should add candidates, may the current crowner succeed, that should be put into consideration.

Goes without saying that WebAnimation/ and WebSeries/ is a good idea.

If I got an idea for a crowner candidate, it would be FanVid/ for fan videos and The Abridged Series genre otherwise not accounted for in Machinima/.
I now go by Graf von Tirol.
Yeah, some of the Web Original content is known strictly by their creator name. Of course, lonelygirl15 is a borderline case - since it did start out just being about a girl and her vlog, with "lonelygirl15" being the vlogger's username. Fred is probably another one, since I think it is the stage name of the actor who plays Fred - and it's sort of a vlog parody.

edited 26th Mar '12 2:30:43 PM by movie007

So for how much more time are we going to have this crowner here?
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Three days is the usual time (I believe). So now?

Currently at: 13 (yeas:17 nays:4) 4.25 : 1

I'm not sure how to organise the next crowner, for voting which namespaces should be made. I think all of the suggestions so far are:
  • WebSeries/
  • WebAnimation/
  • WebSite/
  • WebComic/ (already exists)
  • Podcast/ (or to go under WebOriginal/ - or maybe some other audio based namespace)
  • Web(Serial)Novel/ (or to stay under Literature/)
  • WebOriginal/ (remaining for anything else)

Did I miss any?/Any more suggestions?
Something like FanVid/ or whatever, as I had posted on this thread before.

Of course we don't have to bring Web Comic to a vote... :P

edited 28th Mar '12 8:57:36 AM by EarlOfSandvich

I now go by Graf von Tirol.
24 SilentReverence28th Mar 2012 08:57:25 AM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
The lack of orthogonality in the distinctions confuzzles me... what is the difference between Web Series and all of the others? (Web (Serial) Novel and Web Comics in particular)

[down] Derp. I'm used to it being "live action"...

edited 28th Mar '12 9:14:37 AM by SilentReverence

Seeking for Light
I believe WebSeries/ would be a counterpart to Series/, i.e. live action shows which come out in a serial format.

Wiki Development: Web Original Namespace Split
4th Apr '12 10:24:20 AM
At issue:
Vote up the Web Original namespaces you think Web Original should be split into.

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