SPOON, FoRKS and related cutlery:

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101 ccoa28th Mar 2012 09:34:52 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
I'd like to point out that if we found a work page with this much vitriol and people compulsively adding it back after staff members removing it, it would be locked, not just cleaned.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
102 SilentReverence28th Mar 2012 09:36:53 AM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
[up] Sorry, wasn't implying we wouldn't lock, was just emphasizing the cleaning part. My ideal proposal would be a combination of clean, move to JFF (or Useful Notes) and lock, but that's apparently just not gonna happen.
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I still think that member lists should be removed too. If you identify with one of these factions, you can say so on your troper page. There's no benefit to having the members listed, especially if some of the names were originally just there as signatures to accompany a bile-filled comment.
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In uffish thought
When the pages began, they were fun things that didn't attract anything bad. Seeing as they have been being taken more seriously, comments can no longer be trusted to be civil. However, a list of names isn't an inherantly bad thing, and provided there is a notice about no comments and all, I don't see how they could become bad there.

The descriptions would be the only place where things could go wrong. However, if the tone and content of those is made more neutral, discouraging negative/personal/whatever stuff in the first place, and someone is willing to check up on them every so often, those wouldn't be an issue either. If the members lists are kept, descriptions might need curating anyway, at least for a while after whatever action is taken. If they aren't, locking is common sense what would anyone have to add?
Considering the fact that the discussion had to be nuked twice because of vitriol, we can no longer trust the idea of comments. A list of members, however, does not strike me as problematic. We should probably monitor the page for good measure, as well.
Easiest solution: no member list. Doesn't add any real information, anyway.
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107 SeptimusHeap28th Mar 2012 12:02:25 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
On second thought, upvoting both the member list and no member list options as I am getting the feeling that they just enhance factionalism.
I don't like the fact that they are divisive, but as a non-cutlery member, I can't say whether the names add anything of note.
Factionalism Only Obstructs Delight

Couldn't help myself.
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110 Fighteer28th Mar 2012 12:10:50 PM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness




I am tempted to go to Made of Forum Win, but I'll restrain myself.

EDIT: Oh, fuck restraint, I'll just go. [awesome]

edited 28th Mar '12 12:11:44 PM by lu127

In uffish thought
As a cutlery member, I'd say that names without comments are as interesting as looking through any list of plain names mostly bland, with a couple smiles if you recognise someone. That could* just be me, though, seeing as in practice my position is closer to SPOONS and PLATTER than the FORKS I support in theory.

I guess I have no reason to complain at them going. It would be the easiest solution. But I'd still like keep them if possible sans comments.

Edit: [up][up][up] [awesome][awesome] [lol]

edited 28th Mar '12 12:15:53 PM by Telcontar

113 Fighteer28th Mar 2012 12:15:27 PM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
At best, it's a harmless diversion. At worst, it encourages factionalism. Not sure the one is worth the other.
That acronym is worth something though.

Yeah, I'm still laughing. evil grin
115 TriggerLoaded28th Mar 2012 01:07:25 PM from Canada, eh? , Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
$50 a day, plus expenses
Agreed with purging the member lists. I want to keep these around more as an article of Wiki History and some fun acronyms, but an active list just encourages factionalization.
Don't take life too seriously. It's only a temporary situation.
As a non-cutlery member, would it be okay to purge the list from this site and then create an off-site list of members that could be linked to?

[awesome] to the fast one. Once this clears over, can we add to TABLE? evil grin
Given some of the peoples' tendency to spill their bile onto other pages, I don't think linking to an off-site member list is a good idea. It would just give them something, or worse, someone to hurl at. In summary, Defining Rivalries Is Not Kosher.
118 FinalStarman28th Mar 2012 05:11:18 PM from Clinton, Massachusetts
Such Awesome Little Truths. I agree with removing the member lists to stop the fighting. The TABLE page would be good to have around for wiki history purposes. I like to keep the Wiki Archives.
119 32_Footsteps28th Mar 2012 05:55:55 PM from Just north of Arkham , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
Joining Acronymic Leagues Alters People's Entire Notions Of Sense. They should be gone.
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120 TuefelHundenIV28th Mar 2012 07:15:49 PM from Wandering , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchman of the Apocalypse
32 Steps: Lol. Nice I agree. They are pointless.
"Who watches the watchmen?"
121 Willbyr28th Mar 2012 07:28:48 PM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
[up][up] That's brilliant. [awesome][awesome]
122 Fighteer29th Mar 2012 06:38:07 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Update: Crowner is in the third day. Consolidating at TABLE with no member list is now at +25 (35:10), while keeping the member list has fallen to +17 (37:20). No other options are positive.

I am frankly surprised that there hasn't been a rush of comments from people noting the lock and admin message on all of those articles.

edited 29th Mar '12 6:39:55 AM by Fighteer

123 ccoa29th Mar 2012 07:54:44 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Sadly, I'm sure we'll get a flood of vitriol and complaints after we do something.

edited 29th Mar '12 7:55:03 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
124 Fighteer29th Mar 2012 07:59:04 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Is this worth a Headline? I recognize that the vitriol will happen no matter what we do, but this particular action would seem to be playing directly into the basic complaints that those folks have — fueling the fire, as it were.

edited 29th Mar '12 8:00:29 AM by Fighteer

125 SeptimusHeap29th Mar 2012 08:00:28 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
I would say yes, although I would watch out for complainers. A headline will likely pull them all out of their haunts and make them come here. Use with caution.

Wiki Development: Cutlery Factions Pages
27th Mar '12 8:10:28 AM
At issue:
Some of the cutlery pages have been shown to attract vitriol. What would be the best way to fix this?

Note: Not all options below are mutually exclusive, but some are. Please exercise judgment

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