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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#101: Mar 28th 2012 at 9:34:52 AM

I'd like to point out that if we found a work page with this much vitriol and people compulsively adding it back after staff members removing it, it would be locked, not just cleaned.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up Since: Jan, 2010
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#102: Mar 28th 2012 at 9:36:53 AM

[up] Sorry, wasn't implying we wouldn't lock, was just emphasizing the cleaning part. My ideal proposal would be a combination of clean, move to JFF (or Useful Notes) and lock, but that's apparently just not gonna happen.

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Treblain Not An Avatar Since: Nov, 2012
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#103: Mar 28th 2012 at 11:13:44 AM

I still think that member lists should be removed too. If you identify with one of these factions, you can say so on your troper page. There's no benefit to having the members listed, especially if some of the names were originally just there as signatures to accompany a bile-filled comment.

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Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
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#104: Mar 28th 2012 at 11:37:25 AM

When the pages began, they were fun things that didn't attract anything bad. Seeing as they have been being taken more seriously, comments can no longer be trusted to be civil. However, a list of names isn't an inherantly bad thing, and provided there is a notice about no comments and all, I don't see how they could become bad there.

The descriptions would be the only place where things could go wrong. However, if the tone and content of those is made more neutral, discouraging negative/personal/whatever stuff in the first place, and someone is willing to check up on them every so often, those wouldn't be an issue either. If the members lists are kept, descriptions might need curating anyway, at least for a while after whatever action is taken. If they aren't, locking is common sense – what would anyone have to add?

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#105: Mar 28th 2012 at 11:42:02 AM

Considering the fact that the discussion had to be nuked twice because of vitriol, we can no longer trust the idea of comments. A list of members, however, does not strike me as problematic. We should probably monitor the page for good measure, as well.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#106: Mar 28th 2012 at 11:59:13 AM

Easiest solution: no member list. Doesn't add any real information, anyway.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#107: Mar 28th 2012 at 12:02:25 PM

On second thought, upvoting both the member list and no member list options as I am getting the feeling that they just enhance factionalism.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#108: Mar 28th 2012 at 12:05:51 PM

I don't like the fact that they are divisive, but as a non-cutlery member, I can't say whether the names add anything of note.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#109: Mar 28th 2012 at 12:09:59 PM

Factionalism Only Obstructs Delight

Couldn't help myself.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#111: Mar 28th 2012 at 12:11:17 PM

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[lol]

I am tempted to go to Made of Forum Win, but I'll restrain myself.

EDIT: Oh, fuck restraint, I'll just go. [awesome]

edited 28th Mar '12 12:11:44 PM by lu127

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Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
In uffish thought
#112: Mar 28th 2012 at 12:14:44 PM

As a cutlery member, I'd say that names without comments are as interesting as looking through any list of plain names – mostly bland, with a couple smiles if you recognise someone. That could*

just be me, though, seeing as in practice my position is closer to SPOONS and PLATTER than the FORKS I support in theory.

I guess I have no reason to complain at them going. It would be the easiest solution. But I'd still like keep them if possible – sans comments.

Edit: [up][up][up] [awesome][awesome] [lol]

edited 28th Mar '12 12:15:53 PM by Telcontar

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#113: Mar 28th 2012 at 12:15:27 PM

At best, it's a harmless diversion. At worst, it encourages factionalism. Not sure the one is worth the other.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#114: Mar 28th 2012 at 12:16:30 PM

That acronym is worth something though.

Yeah, I'm still laughing. evil grin

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#115: Mar 28th 2012 at 1:07:25 PM

Agreed with purging the member lists. I want to keep these around more as an article of Wiki History and some fun acronyms, but an active list just encourages factionalization.

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Autumncomet from the hive Since: Jan, 2011
#116: Mar 28th 2012 at 2:16:12 PM

As a non-cutlery member, would it be okay to purge the list from this site and then create an off-site list of members that could be linked to?

[awesome] to the fast one. Once this clears over, can we add to TABLE? evil grin

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AzureSeas Since: Jan, 2011
#117: Mar 28th 2012 at 4:43:51 PM

Given some of the peoples' tendency to spill their bile onto other pages, I don't think linking to an off-site member list is a good idea. It would just give them something, or worse, someone to hurl at. In summary, Defining Rivalries Is Not Kosher.

FinalStarman from Clinton, Massachusetts Since: Nov, 2011
#118: Mar 28th 2012 at 5:11:18 PM

Such Awesome Little Truths. I agree with removing the member lists to stop the fighting. The TABLE page would be good to have around for wiki history purposes. I like to keep the Wiki Archives.

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#119: Mar 28th 2012 at 5:55:55 PM

Joining Acronymic Leagues Alters People's Entire Notions Of Sense. They should be gone.

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#120: Mar 28th 2012 at 7:15:49 PM

32 Steps: Lol. Nice I agree. They are pointless.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#122: Mar 29th 2012 at 6:38:07 AM

Update: Crowner is in the third day. Consolidating at TABLE with no member list is now at +25 (35:10), while keeping the member list has fallen to +17 (37:20). No other options are positive.

I am frankly surprised that there hasn't been a rush of comments from people noting the lock and admin message on all of those articles.

edited 29th Mar '12 6:39:55 AM by Fighteer

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#123: Mar 29th 2012 at 7:54:44 AM

Sadly, I'm sure we'll get a flood of vitriol and complaints after we do something.

edited 29th Mar '12 7:55:03 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#124: Mar 29th 2012 at 7:59:04 AM

Is this worth a Headline? I recognize that the vitriol will happen no matter what we do, but this particular action would seem to be playing directly into the basic complaints that those folks have — fueling the fire, as it were.

edited 29th Mar '12 8:00:29 AM by Fighteer

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#125: Mar 29th 2012 at 8:00:28 AM

I would say yes, although I would watch out for complainers. A headline will likely pull them all out of their haunts and make them come here. Use with caution.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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Some of the cutlery pages have been shown to attract vitriol. What would be the best way to fix this?

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