Sorry, wasn't implying we wouldn't lock, was just emphasizing the cleaning part. My ideal proposal would be a combination of clean, move to JFF (or Useful Notes) and lock, but that's apparently just not gonna happen.
I still think that member lists should be removed too. If you identify with one of these factions, you can say so on your troper page. There's no benefit to having the members listed, especially if some of the names were originally just there as signatures to accompany a bile-filled comment.
We're not just men of science, we're men of TROPE!
When the pages began, they were fun things that didn't attract anything bad. Seeing as they have been being taken more seriously, comments can no longer be trusted to be civil. However, a list of names isn't an inherantly bad thing, and provided there is a notice about no comments and all, I don't see how they could become bad there.
The descriptions would be the only place where things could go wrong. However, if the tone and content of those is made more neutral, discouraging negative/personal/whatever stuff in the first place, and someone is willing to check up on them every so often, those wouldn't be an issue either. If the members lists are kept, descriptions might need curating anyway, at least for a while after whatever action is taken. If they aren't, locking is common sense – what would anyone have to add?
Considering the fact that the discussion had to be nuked twice because of vitriol, we can no longer trust the idea of comments. A list of members, however, does not strike me as problematic. We should probably monitor the page for good measure, as well.
As a cutlery member, I'd say that names without comments are as interesting as looking through any list of plain names – mostly bland, with a couple smiles if you recognise someone. That could*
just be me, though, seeing as in practice my position is closer to SPOONS and PLATTER than the FORKS I support in theory.
I guess I have no reason to complain at them going. It would be the easiest solution. But I'd still like keep them if possible – sans comments.
As a non-cutlery member, would it be okay to purge the list from this site and then create an off-site list of members that could be linked to?
to the fast one. Once this clears over, can we add to TABLE?
Given some of the peoples' tendency to spill their bile onto other pages, I don't think linking to an off-site member list is a good idea. It would just give them something, or worse, someone to hurl at. In summary, Defining Rivalries Is Not Kosher.
Update: Crowner is in the third day. Consolidating at TABLE with no member list is now at +25 (35:10), while keeping the member list has fallen to +17 (37:20). No other options are positive.
I am frankly surprised that there hasn't been a rush of comments from people noting the lock and admin message on all of those articles.
Is this worth a Headline? I recognize that the vitriol will happen no matter what we do, but this particular action would seem to be playing directly into the basic complaints that those folks have — fueling the fire, as it were.
I would say yes, although I would watch out for complainers. A headline will likely pull them all out of their haunts and make them come here. Use with caution.
Wiki Development: Cutlery Factions Pages
27th Mar '12 8:10:28 AM
Some of the cutlery pages have been shown to attract vitriol. What would be the best way to fix this?
Note: Not all options below are mutually exclusive, but some are. Please exercise judgment
44 (yeas:54 nays:10) 5.40 : 1
Consolidate all cutlery factions in a single Just For Fun page containing only the name, the expanded acronym, a brief statement of the position. (No member list) Essentially, redirect the names to the TABLE page.
9 (yeas:36 nays:27) 1.33 : 1
Consolidate all cutlery factions in a single Just for Fun page containing only the name, the expanded acronym, a brief statement of the position, and the list of members — names only, no commentary.