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SPOON, FoRKS and related cutlery:

 1 lu 127, Wed, 21st Mar '12 1:43:03 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
After a very long query about Friends of Really Kool Sobriquet in Ask The Tropers, it appears there is an issue with this page.

Namely, there is a ton of complaining, and outright hostility in some parts. Case in point:

The fun names were the best part about TV Tropes!!! I've been lurking around this wiki since 2007 and this site has gone downhill fast in the past couple of years. Fast Eddie is a tyrannical dictator, the mods all have power complexes, any and all gushing is promptly squashed (WTF? Isn't this supposed to be a place where we celebrate what we love?), and the best part of the wiki is being systematically destroyed. I CANNOT TAKE MUCH MORE OF THIS.

These things edge right into personal attacks territory, something which is really uncalled for, especially in a Just for Fun page. As I understand, all these pages were made as a light-hearted humor attempt by tropers and our habit of considering names Serious Business. Whining, personal attacks and hostility are the exact opposite of what these pages are supposed to be.

In my mind, all cutlery should be treated the same way, without any nastiness, whether in Darth or elsewhere.

edited 21st Mar '12 1:46:43 PM by lu127

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 2 Septimus Heap, Wed, 21st Mar '12 1:45:52 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Ugh. This reminds me of Real Life political debates and mud-slinging. Definitively in need of intervention.

 3 Fighteer, Wed, 21st Mar '12 1:46:28 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
I am in mind to excise the cutlery labels, or at least lock and archive them, as they no longer serve any apparent purpose.
Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
 4 Septimus Heap, Wed, 21st Mar '12 1:52:41 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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If anything, I'm thinking of moving FORKS back to /Main/ since while the Darth Wiki location is at self-request, many people seem to take that as meaning that SPOON is official policy.

I am not sure if lock and/or archive make sense here. It seems that cleanout is of primary concern at this stage.

I say cut them all. They no longer serve a purpose with the way the wiki is, and SPOON is used far too often as an example of official policy, and the position of Fo RKS on the Darth (back when the Darth was about being a bit cheeky, fun, and freer than the main, rather than the dumping ground for anything a bit controversial) is used to bash people who want less than overly-literal names. They (and all the rest of the tableware and cutlery named groups) need to be deleted. Maybe all moved to the Darth, but that is the only way they should be kept, even if archived.
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 6 lu 127, Wed, 21st Mar '12 2:01:04 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
SPOON is used as an example of official policy? If that's true, it's dead wrong, and whoever is doing it is actively misleading.

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 7 Fighteer, Wed, 21st Mar '12 2:26:55 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Official policy is "Clear > Concise > Witty", which is in line with the mission of SPOON, but regardless, the point is that these "societies" are in no way official nor intended to exacerbate philosophical differences among the troper base. At a minimum they belong on Darth Wiki if any of them are there.
Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
 8 Willbyr, Wed, 21st Mar '12 2:30:15 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
[up] Agreed; moving all of them to Darth might be the best route to take.

edited 21st Mar '12 2:30:44 PM by Willbyr

 9 shimaspawn, Wed, 21st Mar '12 2:31:39 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Or at least to Just for Fun.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 10 lu 127, Wed, 21st Mar '12 2:31:51 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Well, FORKS is in Darth, apparently by the creators' own choice. SPOON, CHOPSTICKS, PEPPER and KNIVES are in main. PLATTER is in Sugar.

Wait, now that I think about it, SPOON is in Just for Fun, while CHOPSTICKS, PEPPER and KNIVES are in main. They are even more misplaced.
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 11 Septimus Heap, Wed, 21st Mar '12 2:43:10 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Let's just move all of them to Just for Fun. We don't need such clubs to start behaving like RL political parties in TRS or anywhere else and Just for Fun might be a good place to put them all in so as to hammer that point home.

[up]Yup. smile
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Just cut 'em, I say. They aren't fun, anymore.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
 14 lu 127, Wed, 21st Mar '12 2:50:48 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Out of all of those, FORKS is in immediate need of some purging for the vitriol. The others don't have many comments, except for PLATTER which is written Sugar Wiki style.

[up] That option goes too, I guess...

edited 21st Mar '12 2:51:28 PM by lu127

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 15 Septimus Heap, Wed, 21st Mar '12 2:51:45 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Opposed to cut, but taking action like we did with Wall Banger/DarthWiki.Wall Banger I totally support. FORKS needs vitriol cleanup big time beforehand, though.

edited 21st Mar '12 2:52:31 PM by SeptimusHeap

I'm also opposed to cutting.

A big clean up could work well, though. smile
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 17 Tuefel Hunden IV, Wed, 21st Mar '12 6:06:33 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
I am all for cutting them as they no serve no real purpose other then being annoyingly divisive. If cutting won't work shift them to just for fun or darth.
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someone
I don't really see much point in these. Maybe reduce the name list to simply names with no commentary? That'd cut down on the hostility.
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The only real alternative to cutting is to clear their existing content and rewrite the descriptions with historical context and in a more clear, less in-jokey form. We don't want to lock them with the accumulated bile of several years. We don't want to lock them and leave tropers' names and comments visible where not even they themselves can remove them. We don't want to leave the text at the top, which is semi-joking, misleading, and not relevant anymore.

None of those things are useful to people who might read them as Just for Fun or archived pages in the future.

The only way it would make sense to leave them on the wiki is if we gave people reading them a reasonably clear idea of what these mysterious organizations of yore were about, and there's no reason to mention the individual members and their personal feelings unless they choose to leave notes about it on their troper pages.
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 20 Fighteer, Wed, 21st Mar '12 6:35:25 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
I'd definitely support clearing the comments on the member lists; that at least can probably be done without much in the way of consensus.
Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
 21 Willbyr, Wed, 21st Mar '12 6:38:34 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Hmmmm...maybe make a page titled "Wiki Cutlery" with a summary of each of the factions and the member lists folderized?

edited 21st Mar '12 6:38:57 PM by Willbyr

 22 Spark 9, Wed, 21st Mar '12 6:59:52 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I'm in favor of cutting, because they're outdated and more than a little divisive.

Failing that, I would like to see all of them merged into one page (or at the very least, all in the same namespace) and having their list of tropers cut.

edited 21st Mar '12 7:00:23 PM by Spark9

Special trousers. Very heroic.
It's easy, mmkay?
Who cuts the cutlery?
At first I didn't realize I needed all this stuff...
 24 Martello, Wed, 21st Mar '12 9:28:35 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
[up]FTW.

Also, support cutting these pages or at least trimming them down to a basic description.
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 25 The One Who Tropes, Thu, 22nd Mar '12 2:29:59 AM from Leigh, Lancashire, England Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
I like this webcomic.
Qui secat utensilia?

Support cutting or trimming. The Darth Wiki bilefest on Friends of Really Kool Sobriquet is something that took me aback when I clicked on the page the other day. I thought we cleaned Darth Wiki of this crap regularly.

edited 22nd Mar '12 2:31:11 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

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Wiki Development: Cutlery Factions Pages
27th Mar '12 8:10:28 AM
At issue:
Some of the cutlery pages have been shown to attract vitriol. What would be the best way to fix this?

Note: Not all options below are mutually exclusive, but some are. Please exercise judgment
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